Thanx guys for all of your comments. The bottem line is that kazza is legal, but if the content that is being coppied is illegal than it is an illegal operation. And cd's do sound better, but y would u want to pay 15 bucks for a cd when u can get a little bit lesser version when it is free? What if u r just starting a album collection? Do u want to pay hundreds of dollers when thousands of people r getting it for free? With the use of kazza and other programs cds might be cheaper in the future after all.
Originally posted by pluzzi7 but y would u want to pay 15 bucks for a cd when u can get a little bit lesser version when it is free?
Because the artists are due their money?
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Do u want to pay hundreds of dollers when thousands of people r getting it for free?
Ever hear the phrase "If everyone jumped off a bridge, would you?"
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With the use of kazza and other programs cds might be cheaper in the future after all.
Don't count on it. Expect copy protection to get tougher and make it hard for legit users to use their software. That and ISP will continue to be brought into court to find out who is sharing the software.
Originally posted by pluzzi7 With the use of kazza and other programs cds might be cheaper in the future after all.
Probably just the opposite actually. You're complaining about buying CDs. Even if the record labels dropped them to say $9.00 per CD, would you buy one? Probably not b/c you are a "die-hard" Kazaa user. Because MOST people share this mentality about downloading music, the record labels will more than likely be forced to raise prices of CDs to try to off-shoot the losses from downloads. Also, as was briefly mentioned by cagey, they are constantly investing money in new methods of copy protection. I think that this will also lead to at least a temporary price increase. Maybe they won't go up, but if this trend of downloads continues, I don't see how they will be able to stay at $12-$17/disc. All artists/producers/labels/etc. are due their money, and that is one of the biggest reasons I dislike Kazaa. I think it is a good resource so that you can fully hear a song first to see if you like it, but after that I still feel like you should pay for it (be it through CD purchase, or through iTunes). Even though they are millionaires working with multi-billion-dollar companies, this is still their job and they deserve to be paid just like the rest of us.
An alternative to buying CDs, or downloading mp3s illegally, is to go to your local flea market, attic, or parents' garage and get some records. The big old vinyl things. I run them through my computer, process out hiss, pops, and clicks, and convert them to mp3s.
Of course the quality varies from record to record based on wear, but I have bought some new records and they sound perfect to me.
Pros:
- cheap (you can get albums for $2 or less used)
- can find records that are hard to find on CD
- putting on an Al Green record is about 10 times cooler than putting on an Al Green CD
- you can find music you hadn't heard in years
Cons:
- records only "rip" at 1x
- harder to find new releases on vinyl (not impossible)
- audiophiles don't like used records
- you might not have a turntable
Hmm. This post started out as a little joke but turned serious.
Yes Kazaa etal are legal but violating copyright is not. This also means that buying Cd's or even old record albums and ripping them to an MP# is illeagal since part of copyright laws outlaws making copies to alternate recording media. This is why we are losing some old software such as Visicalc since the old magnetic media is slowing wearing out and it is technically illegal to put them on CD-ROM. It all boils down to if you are a criminal and willing to steal from the artist/record labels or a law abiding citizen willing to pay the legal costs of doing business. Even if you disagree with the law you are a criminal if you break it. Consider how you would feel if your boss decided not to pay you this week because other people are willing to do you job for free.
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Actually, copying something for your own use in another format, if I am not mistaken, is not a violation of copyright. It is the copying for someone else without consent or fee to the copyright holder - which is, in essence, a "broadcast" - that is illegal.
"but y would u want to pay 15 bucks for a cd when u can get a little bit lesser version when it is free?
Because the artists are due their money?"
NO! The artists do NOT get the money they are due. The RIAA owns most of the music the artists produce through the contract they force the artists to sign. Most of the money made on albums goes straight to the record company. I agree that taking money out of the hands of hard working people is wrong, but I have no problem taking money from the RIAA, who uses bully tatics to force consumers to buy their lousy products.
A group should force the courts to determine exactly what it means to have ownership of a CD or software. If I am buying the physical disc, I accuse the industry of price gouging. If I am buying the right to play the music contained on the CD, I should be entitled to free replacements for my lifetime if I am unable to play the music due to the quality of the physical disc. The RIAA doesn't want this to be clearly defined. It would cost them too much money.
I say arrest all of the millions of people who are downloading free songs from Kazaa and Morpheus. Sentence each person to one week in jail with no restitution. Wave goodbye to the recording industry as they go out of business because nobody is buying their products anymore. I would gladly spent a week in jail if it put these theives out of business.
I have known quite a few bands that "never made it" because the record companies were more interested in the people they could control. The people I knew refused to give up ownership of their music. I apologise for the long diatribe. Alot of my friends have been screwed while trying to pursue a record deal. I have a rather skewed opinion.
I have used Kazaa to download songs and burn to CD before. However, when you consider the time it takes to find the songs, make sure they are good quality, clean them up if necessary, and burn to a cd, it usually ends up being cheaper if I had just bought the cd outright. Of course I do have a job and don't have a lot of FREE time on my hands like some others do.
I would love to use an online service to download music for a fee, but so far I have not found one with the selection I want and for a reasonable fee.
When I download music its usually from an old cd or record I used to own, which I do not want to have to purchase again, another is when I hear a song just played on the radio and I wanna check it out again, these usually eventually get deleted pretty quickly, everything else I buy. When I think about the thousands of dollars I spent on CDs that were stolen from me during high school man I wish I would have had the tech to rip copies of all that stuff back then.
Anyway the record company is screwing artists out of lots of money. I think that on the scle they are gouging thats more of a crime then what kazaa users do, but they have the power...
Maybe iTunes and those should just let you hear a streaming version of the song in like a pretty bad bitrate or 30 secs in a good bitrate, that would solve the problem of people wanting to hear the whole song I think.
CJ do you own a Mac? You can only get iTunes on a Mac right? I've been looking into it and that seems to be the case, I can't wait to see what MS comes up with!
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I think the issue is that if I want one song off an album, I am forced to buy that whole album. I can download a number of different songs and make my own compilation without buying 15 cd's. But I would gladly pay 99 cents per song as Apple is now doing through Apple Music.com. The only issue is that the software to do this has to be run on a Mac, which I do not have. Are there any other sites doing this ?
Peer-to-peer filesharing programs (of which Kazaa is one) can be a perfectly legal and very helpful tool.
I recently was trying to download a 85 megabyte video (a free trailer of Halo 2 for the Microsoft Xbox) from the internet.
I finally managed to find one website that WASN'T swamped with users and downloaded a copy at a terribly slow bitrate.
When I finally got it, I put it in my Kazaa Shared Folder.
Within the hour, 20 other people who had experienced the same troubles downloaded it rather quickly from ME, instead of a website.
Nothing illegal ever happend and, man, everyone was happy.
The problems come in when people share copyrighted software and multimedia. That's illegal, whether you do it on Kazaa or by passing a CD-R to the guy next to you.
Originally posted by JediTim
NO! The artists do NOT get the money they are due. The RIAA owns most of the music the artists produce through the contract they force the artists to sign. Most of the money made on albums goes straight to the record company. I agree that taking money out of the hands of hard working people is wrong, but I have no problem taking money from the RIAA, who uses bully tatics to force consumers to buy their lousy products.
Uh how do you think the artists get the money up front? Because the record companies know they will make it on the back end. If they don't make money on selling CDs and such, then the Artists won't get much on the front.
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A group should force the courts to determine exactly what it means to have ownership of a CD or software. If I am buying the physical disc, I accuse the industry of price gouging.
Where do you come up with "price gouging", this has nothing to do with Kazaa.
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If I am buying the right to play the music contained on the CD, I should be entitled to free replacements for my lifetime if I am unable to play the music due to the quality of the physical disc. The RIAA doesn't want this to be clearly defined. It would cost them too much money.
You get it for the life of the physical media. How is this any different than other forms of communication. I have a book that I drop in the pool. Its ruined. Should the publisher be forced to send me a new one? Of course not.
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I say arrest all of the millions of people who are downloading free songs from Kazaa and Morpheus. Sentence each person to one week in jail with no restitution. Wave goodbye to the recording industry as they go out of business because nobody is buying their products anymore. I would gladly spent a week in jail if it put these theives out of business.
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. I own the rights to a piece of software that I found was being traded on Kazaa. Why the hell should you get the rights to something you didn't pay for. Its no different for music.
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I have known quite a few bands that "never made it" because the record companies were more interested in the people they could control.
Don't forget the radio and TV industry too. They are even worse than the RIAA. You can't get them to even play your music.
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"I say arrest all of the millions of people who are downloading free songs from Kazaa and Morpheus. Sentence each person to one week in jail with no restitution. "
Did u know that millions of little kids are downloading illegal stuff from kazza right now? How can u say that all violators should got to jail? Do u want to see a prsion full of fourth graders? No, Thought not.
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