The actual use of Kazaa is legal but alot of the times the content that you are actually downloading is illegal. Such as songs and movies or programs. All of these free things to you are taking money out of the owners pockets. I guess it is really a question about morals, Do you feel right taking from those people? They cant stop the Kazaa and Morpheus users but they are trying.
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Putting the legality issue aside for a moment (and yeah kazaa is legal, some of the content isn't)...
I find it very interesting that the RIAA is using prosecution of their customers to force them to buy their product. "Hey I know we just had you arrested, but will you buy our cds now?"
Simply put, the labels and RIAA are dinosaurs that are trying to milk all they can out of their outdated content delivery monopoly. They need to find a way to make the content delivery both cheap, easy to use, contains complete albums, and allows the purchaser unrestricted use (hello pressplay - you suck and what's the deal with the encumbered files from applemusic?). The funny thing is is that the R&D work has been done for them for free many times - napster, kazaa et al. All the labels needed to do was find some way to get some reasonable micropaymet system working.
Interesting irony here - the 'legit' services like Pressplay are generating some revenue and yet no artist on an RIAA label has seen dime one from this. So please, just like when the government tells you 'think of the children' the RIAA is giving you the same load of shit when they say 'think of the artists'
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There was just a court case that tested this a few weeks ago. If I understand the ruling correctly, Kazaa is legal; however, sharing copyrighted material without the consent of the copyright holder is illegal. The court held that Kazaa could not be held liable for the illegal use of its product by its users, since Kazaa has no control over the illegal use. But if you are going to share songs - you are using Kazaa illegally.
Exactly, its legal for me to own my S&W 9mm but I can't shoot at strangers on the street from my house; and if I do no one can sue S&W for the damages.
Well Apple has initiated the iTunes program which gives you a song for a dollar, this is a good step if you ask me, but... I think its still too expensive, yeah you get all the songs you want and not the ones you dont but most regular CDs cost 15 bucks and have about 15 songs so it evens out.
I think most file sharing people wont go for this. I think that if it was 50 or 25 cents a song, hell most people woudln't fuss with the worry with Kazaa and the like and just buy the songs they wanted. MS is going to be coming out with a competior to iTunes soon, so I guess well just have to wait and see what happens.
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I've been using iTunes downloading music for the past week. Personally I'm happy with the service, but I agree with NMkiD that most of the songs are too expensive. I don't have a problem paying $1 for most songs, but some older titles should be less....
NMkiD hit it right on the head, " think that if it was 50 or 25 cents a song, hell most people woudln't fuss with the worry with Kazaa and the like and just buy the songs they wanted". With Apple, MS and Real finally getting this stuff, I think we may see the cost go down. I'm happy with the service so far, but I'd like to see some song costs go down.
I think it would be a pain to try and figure out different costs per album (ie the "popular" songs cost more that the others), but a song by Jefferson Starship should cost less than a song by the Foo Fighters.
Yeah, I don't like the iTunes thing. $1.00/song for MP3 FORMAT is way too steep. Like you said, this equals out to what it costs on a CD. However, it should be cheaper. With these song downloads, they don't have CD Production costs, distribution costs, etc. I know they have money invested in servers and what not, but still cheaper than a hard-copy production of the songs. Also, although MP3 format is very popular and usually sounds very good.....what bit rate are they offering these downloads at? If it is only like 128 or 192 then count me out for sure. They need to offer everything for $1.00 in 320 bitrate. I think this will be a good service to the average consumer, but they will never get an audiophile to download songs for $1.00 unless they start to offer them in a lossless format. MP3 is good for portable stereos and computers, but stick it on an OUTSTANDING set of speakers and you can even tell a difference between a CD and a 320 bitrate MP3. But again, this is probably aimed more towards the average consumer, so more power to Apple. But count me out. :)
The problem with MP3 is that there is no security built into it. I don't think we will see the MP3 format be around much longer in "legit" operations... Apple is using the AAC format which is based on MP4 while I'm sure Real and MS will use their formats...
I don't think we will ever see a lossless format for quite some time. I don't think the bandwidth nor the disk space exists for this, nor does the format exist yet.
But if quality if very important to you, I can't imagine using Kazaa for your music. Why would I want to let some college student dictate how my music should sound. You'd buy the CD and rip it yourself...
Originally posted by cageyjames I don't think we will ever see a lossless format for quite some time. I don't think the bandwidth nor the disk space exists for this, nor does the format exist yet.
But if quality if very important to you, I can't imagine using Kazaa for your music. Why would I want to let some college student dictate how my music should sound. You'd buy the CD and rip it yourself...
Well, there is a "lossless" (VERY CLOSE) format known as SHN (aka Shorten) format. Many of the Live concert traders (Legal) are using this format to go straight from MD or DAT to a "lossless" file. I know it's not 100% lossless, but much much closer than any mpeg format.
Is MP4 any better quality than MP3, or just more secure? And for the record, I don't use Kazaa or any other P2P progs for music (other than to throw on Axim). :) I still prefer to purchase CDs to get the best sound out of my speakers. However, the SHN-based Live recordings that I have sound GREAT on my speakers as well.
I know that it is not likely to see a company use a format such as this for distribution because of file size and/or security issues. I was just stating that I don't think the audiophile market (which as grown to be VERY large) will ever use anything like this for much of their music. Again, it's a good idea for the regular consumer market, and I'm sure it will skyrocket.
Make better quality albums / CD's and charge less for them at the stores and people will buy them. I won't buy a CD unless I have listened to all the tracks (using Kazaa) and if it has at LEAST 50% of the songs worth listening too I will buy it. Otherwise get a real job like the rest of us! Good Charlotte and the new Linkin Park are prime examples. Love 'em, bought 'em.
So what you are saying is you won't pay $1 to sample the song? Apple lets you listen to 30 seconds free so its not like you are buying blind. They also offer the whole album for less than $10...
I still like the feel of a new CD, unwrapping it and putting in the car stereo and letting it pound away. Besides I have found, for me anyway, that 30sec is not enough. Some songs don't really get going till the minute mark. Besides going to the audio store lets me look through the pda areas, double pleasure.
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