he has the right article, but what he failed to mention was they only mention 'leet' speak in the video stream of the article on the right side of the screen.
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Being "stupid" is not the same thing as being at fault. Being "stupid" is not immoral or a crime but physically harming another person most certainly is. No woman has ever deserved being raped. To suggest she could have prevented it if only she would have done this or that seems to be a weak attempt to place the blame on her.
Many, many women have been attacked and the rape went unreported because of the false sense of guilt they feel. This is why I take exception to the quotes above.
True, being stupid is not being at fault. It leads to fault. Like my earlier post with all that bogus info. If that were real, I would have been very stupid. If I were very stupid, someone could have taken that info and charged my credit card, come to my house, stolen my cell phone service... Etc. Now who's fault would that be? I think a lot of people go, "Oh... Rape... Nasty Nasty." You know what? You're right. You know what else? Identity Theft: Nasty nasty. I'm not trying to equate rape and identity theft here, but I am trying to give an example of something that doesn't just happen to women, as the only thing brought up has been with women.
Final comment: If I were stupid, I'd give all my info, and if I were a girl, you could come rape me. But if I were smart and didn't give out private info, how could you find me? You'd have to be a federal agent. ;-) :hide: No, let's not give women a reason to feel guilty. No, let's not go after third-party websites. (Imagine, if that info were right and you stole it, I'd be trying to sue Chris right now... How would you like that?) Let's show rapest what rapests deserve. Justice.
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You may want to ask a Judge about your logic.
It is the "They asked for it" argument and it was refuted a long time ago.
If I were to willingly take money from you that was not mine, I committed a crime not you. It does not matter how easy you make it for me to steal from you. The judge will not go easy on me because of your ignorance and the judge will not punish you. In fact the judge may punish me even harder because I preyed on the weak.
I did not say that the criminal should go unpunished, or even lighter punishment. My point was that if I were smart, didn't share any of that info, you could do nothing to me. Think about that logically. (And I bet you a judge would agree there. Any judges here on Aximsite?)
You're right. A judge would probably go after a murderer who short someone from behind without them knowing they were there harder then a murderer who shot someone from in front, plain sight.
This is not the part we are discussing. We are discussing whether or not kids can safely give info out to ANYONE, ANYWHERE. My opinion is NO, it's never safe. Do you disagree?
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This is not the part we are discussing. We are discussing whether or not kids can safely give info out to ANYONE, ANYWHERE. My opinion is NO, it's never safe. Do you disagree?
I do not disagree and I hope I have not implied otherwise.
I do take exception to those whose place blame with the victim, as here:
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If people are stupid enough to talk to sexual predetars its there own damn fault.
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As you may of all heard a girl had a myspace, and was killed or raped (not sure). By her doing this Its her fault
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It's the girls fault if she gave out personal information even when her parents told her to be careful.
I can't believe we are even having this conversation. Its never the girls fault if they are attacked. It does not matter who is stupid and who is not. I have a ten year old daughter, and had an instance where she was talking on-line to a supposed 9 year girl from another school here in Topeka. The whole site was talking about the Disney Movie High School Musical. I monitored it and was not even the least bit worried. The person and all the people on the site had a crush on the boy, they were talking about the songs, the people, everything that went on. Then this person asked for my daughters address. Luckily I was in the room and she asked me if she could send it. She had sepnt 10 days with this person, and trusted them. I got on, and wrote, This is ######'s dad, would you give me your number so I can call your parents, then maybe you and ###### can meet. I said who I was and why I was on. I got FOMF in replu which I later learned was FXXX off Mother fXXXXX. I doubt vbery much that I got that reply from a 9 year old little girl who had just watched High School Musical. Now this guy was good. He spent 10 days talking to these girls on this site, watched a movie that they all loved, and was actively engaging them in a topic they loved. Now does that make My daughter stupid for believing this was truly a little girl, I think not. The only way to compete with this type of a predator is by having articles like this make parents aware of what being said in these chat rooms. Even if 1/4 of the information is correct it gives me more of an arsenal to protect my 10 year old little girl. Any one who says these little girls are stupid because they fall for the tricks played by people like this, need to evaluate thier own intelligence.
I can't believe we are even having this conversation. Its never the girls fault if they are attacked. It does not matter who is stupid and who is not. I have a ten year old daughter, and had an instance where she was talking on-line to a supposed 9 year girl from another school here in Topeka. The whole site was talking about the Disney Movie High School Musical. I monitored it and was not even the least bit worried. The person and all the people on the site had a crush on the boy, they were talking about the songs, the people, everything that went on. Then this person asked for my daughters address. Luckily I was in the room and she asked me if she could send it. She had sepnt 10 days with this person, and trusted them. I got on, and wrote, This is ######'s dad, would you give me your number so I can call your parents, then maybe you and ###### can meet. I said who I was and why I was on. I got FOMF in replu which I later learned was FXXX off Mother fXXXXX. I doubt vbery much that I got that reply from a 9 year old little girl who had just watched High School Musical. Now this guy was good. He spent 10 days talking to these girls on this site, watched a movie that they all loved, and was actively engaging them in a topic they loved. Now does that make My daughter stupid for believing this was truly a little girl, I think not. The only way to compete with this type of a predator is by having articles like this make parents aware of what being said in these chat rooms. Even if 1/4 of the information is correct it gives me more of an arsenal to protect my 10 year old little girl. Any one who says these little girls are stupid because they fall for the tricks played by people like this, need to evaluate thier own intelligence.
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I can't believe we are even having this conversation. Its never the girls fault if they are attacked. It does not matter who is stupid and who is not. I have a ten year old daughter, and had an instance where she was talking on-line to a supposed 9 year girl from another school here in Topeka. The whole site was talking about the Disney Movie High School Musical. I monitored it and was not even the least bit worried. The person and all the people on the site had a crush on the boy, they were talking about the songs, the people, everything that went on. Then this person asked for my daughters address. Luckily I was in the room and she asked me if she could send it. She had sepnt 10 days with this person, and trusted them. I got on, and wrote, This is ######'s dad, would you give me your number so I can call your parents, then maybe you and ###### can meet. I said who I was and why I was on. I got FOMF in replu which I later learned was FXXX off Mother fXXXXX. I doubt vbery much that I got that reply from a 9 year old little girl who had just watched High School Musical. Now this guy was good. He spent 10 days talking to these girls on this site, watched a movie that they all loved, and was actively engaging them in a topic they loved. Now does that make My daughter stupid for believing this was truly a little girl, I think not. The only way to compete with this type of a predator is by having articles like this make parents aware of what being said in these chat rooms. Even if 1/4 of the information is correct it gives me more of an arsenal to protect my 10 year old little girl. Any one who says these little girls are stupid because they fall for the tricks played by people like this, need to evaluate thier own intelligence.
...the girl who got murdered on myspace wasnt a ten year old.......... she should have knowen better......
My point here has nothing to do with age. it has to do with the extent to which these people try to gain these girls trust. They are experts at this. They are predators. They sometimes try to develop this relations over a long time period. They study trends, they find what girls are interested in, and then they paln thier attack. Its a war, and to say someone is stupid belittles what is begin done to them. I will never accept the fact that its the victums fault. We are dealing with a highly intelligent group of sadistic pervents.
My point here has nothing to do with age. it has to do with the extent to which these people try to gain these girls trust. They are experts at this. They are predators. They sometimes try to develop this relations over a long time period. They study trends, they find what girls are interested in, and then they paln thier attack. Its a war, and to say someone is stupid belittles what is begin done to them. I will never accept the fact that its the victums fault. We are dealing with a highly intelligent group of sadistic pervents.
what im saying is that a 20 (or how ever old the myspace girl was) year old girl should have a brain which is capible of thinking "hey this sound fishy"...
what im saying is that a 20 (or how ever old the myspace girl was) year old girl should have a brain which is capible of thinking "hey this sound fishy"...
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I am not going argue with you on that. Hopefully a 20 year old would have be able to make wiser decision. I agree, and maybe since this one hit close to home I am a little hyper about this topic. Even though she may have given out her personal information, which I agree is stupid, whcih led to her death, should we blame her.
what im saying is that a 20 (or how ever old the myspace girl was) year old girl should have a brain which is capible of thinking "hey this sound fishy"...
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Chris, I don't think you *really* get it. Predators will do everything in their power to make a "fishy" situation no longer seem that way. It involves slowly gaining trust, so that everything seems normal.
Note that I have no idea who the girl on MySpace is, and I know nothing of her personal situation. All I *do* know is that everyone is different, and everyone responds to situations differently. Could it be that that this girl was having problems, and found what she believed to be a "kindred soul"? I don't know.
Blaming the victim, IMHO, is simply wrong. To many of us, her judgement was faulty, but to her, it may have been the most natural thing in the world. Blame the sick, sadistic person who took advantage of the situation.
Some how this thread got off the original topic. While the original news article may have had technical errors, it definitely opened some eyes in the public. If one life is saved through the article, it was worth it. I have to believe it will be many more. Ignorance and age are not directly related. I've seen 10 year olds I'd trust to know what to watch out for on the WEB. And, I've seen 30 year olds, I wouldn't trust. Personally, I don't like the word ignorance. It makes a person appear stiupid when, in fact, they just aren't aware. The more aware parents and kids are, the safer they become.
It all comes down to the Parents and the environment they set for the kids. They have to let the kids know what's right, what's wrong and the consiquences of certain actions. Technology and the world will always be changing. The parents have to adapt themselves and their methods of raising the kids. Kids want to have people be interested in their interests and respect them as people. That's the parents job and, unfortunately, our society is fostering a distance of the family. That's why predators will always have victims.
Computers - phooey! What happened to setting your kid in front of the TV for hours like my Mom did?!?
It all comes down to the Parents and the environment they set for the kids. They have to let the kids know what's right, what's wrong and the consiquences of certain actions. Technology and the world will always be changing. The parents have to adapt themselves and their methods of raising the kids. Kids want to have people be interested in their interests and respect them as people. That's the parents job and, unfortunately, our society is fostering a distance of the family. That's why predators will always have victims.
Computers - phooey! What happened to setting your kid in front of the TV for hours like my Mom did?!?
That is what this post started out as. The article in question may have had a few errors, but it informed parents of what was out there. Now why I do agree that parents can be a front line defense in this, the 20 year myspace girl, did not have her parents looking over her shoulder. The blame still falls on the predator who attacked her, it was not her fault. She did a stupid thing, but should it of cost her her life. The blame lies in the people using technology in a evil way.
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