I am no longer able to say that i'm proud of President Bush

JMJSelect · 05-01-06, 08:08 PM

Just thought that I would put it out there.

He's going soft in iraq (nows the time to turn it up before we leave)
He's representing illegal aliens and big businesses who hire them and not the law abiding tax payers who voted him in.
He's tring to sell america's security away(dubai port deal/ and now he's trying to sell something else to dubai, forgot what it was but he's keeping this one under the radar)
He wont stop the INSANE spending.
He won't close the boarder, This is just commen sense. But then again he represents big businesses.

These things are just unacceptable. I am no longer able to say that i'm proud of president bush.

And i'm also very very very VERY dissapointed with the republicrates COUGH COUGH republicans.

We are not being represented.

05-01-06, 08:27 PM

Alright..... do we really want a political thread on Aximsite??

**radimus** · 05-01-06, 10:25 PM

Have we not had plenty before?

I'm republican, but I consider myself to be more of a "hawkish conservative moderate"

Bush has passed every bill that congress sends to him. He has tried to get a "Line Item Veto" bill passed but it didn't fly.

Spending is way up, but hurricanes and mudslides and tornadoes and wars are expensive. I don't think any president could have avoided those expenses beyond saying, "that is your problem and that is what insurance is for"... and his opinion rating is to low to take the heat for that. Who knows what will happen this year.

housing is up, interest is low, market is fair, unemployment is low (even with all the illegals).

The issue with the illegals is a tough one. Both parties want them. Republicans want them because they are cheap labor for business. Democrats want them because they tend to vote democrat and are a ready market for all the social services they advocate. The average citizen is stuck between an $8.00 tomato or large chunks of tax money going to support illegals.

I've heard the position of getting the welfare cases to do the work that illegals are doing, but that is impractical at best. There are geographic problems initailly. You can't bus welfare cases from harlem or compton to a blueberry farm in Biloxi. You can't force people to work regardless. The best anyone could do is change the welfare rules to make it harder to qualify, but that is a different fight and a different issue that has been going on for years.

If you want to see insane gas prices, wait for Israel to make a premptive strike on Iran... What is left of the Middle East will explode like no one has ever seen.

plambham · 05-01-06, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by ktvyeow

Alright..... do we really want a political thread on Aximsite??

i'd have to agree here.

Side note

That said it' s in the right forum, and you should be careful what you say here, not everyone here is a u.s citizen, in fact lots of the stuff you're saying is unfair. You make aliens sound un-human low and unwanted, thats not true, i live in the U.S without citizenship (leagally of course) and i deserve every right everyone else gets. I'm just saying be careful what you say or you'll annoy people.

Pocketbrain · 05-01-06, 10:36 PM

As for gas... here in FL, taxes account for twice the markup that gas profits do, even considering they make a higher profit percentage than the national avg. Cutting oil companies' profits would save $.25. Cutting tax, $.50.
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stevenator65 · 05-01-06, 10:58 PM

As bad as things may seem to be, Radimus made some great points. In the early 80's the interest rates were in the mid teens for mortgages! Back then if you wanted to buy a home you'd pay 17% interest, whereas right now it's about 6.75%. Gas may seem expensive, but adjusted for inflation it's probably not any higher than in the early 80's, and far less expensive than in other countries.

So financially things are very good here. The terror that we are subject to has been around for a long time, but only now are we subject to it within our own borders. Actually it started in the US when they first bombed the World Trade Center, which I believe was in 94. I remember hearing about it in the 72 Olympics when I was little. But this terror has been around for thousands of years. This threat will not go away as long as there are radicals willing to die and take others with them for their jihad. You can't fight a conventional war against them. Maybe you find some common ground and establish a relationship and trust with them and learn to live with each other, because neither side is going away, and living is better than dying. If Pres Bush can do that he would earn everyone's respect. Thousands of years of violence, struggle and war should end, and why shouldn't it end now?

aximbigfan · 05-01-06, 11:03 PM

guys, GUYS! please keep this thread civil!
IMO, i think that bush is a idoit. i think that my old palm vx could prolly do a better job than him.

chris

05-01-06, 11:12 PM

ABF,
I dont think calling the president is an idiot to be civil. but sense you started it the president is alot smarter than you. for one thing he knows how to spell, or at least he covers up his bad spelling with a spell checker, something you seem to have no clue about. Secondly he has a BS in History and a MBA from Yale. Personally i dont give you much chance of getting out of high school.

While dont agree with everything that the president has done, i still support him. there are alot more to the issues and decisions he makes, than what we see on tv.

aximbigfan · 05-01-06, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by ericcumbee

ABF,
I dont think calling the president is an idiot to be civil. but sense you started it the president is alot smarter than you. for one thing he knows how to spell, or at least he covers up his bad spelling with a spell checker, something you seem to have no clue about. Secondly he has a BS in History and a MBA from Yale. Personally i dont give you much chance of getting out of high school.

While dont agree with everything that the president has done, i still support him. there are alot more to the issues and decisions he makes, than what we see on tv.

he prolly forged it.

chris

05-01-06, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by aximbigfan

he prolly forged it.

chris

You just made my case, bad spelling and all. On top of that you automaticly assume that anything good the president has done he cheated somehow. Perhaps that i should point out that George Bush made higher grades than john "Reporting for Doody"kerry at yale. And while we are talking about cheating. Your very own Ted Kennedy was caught cheating at harvard and was expelled.

aximbigfan · 05-01-06, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by ericcumbee

You just made my case, bad spelling and all. On top of that you automaticly assume that anything good the president has done he cheated somehow. Perhaps that i should point out that George Bush made higher grades than john "Reporting for Doody"kerry at yale. And while we are talking about cheating. Your very own Ted Kennedy was caught cheating at harvard and was expelled.

it seems as though all of the presidents of today are idiots. why cant we americans ellect someone who at least has a tiny tiny bit of sense?

chris

**radimus** · 05-02-06, 12:16 AM

Since when has intelligence been a requirement for much of anything.

Politics is all about making deals and getting people to like you (or more realistic in making people hate the other guy)... and enough money to get in the game.

If intelligence mattered, we have Bill Gates or Steven Hawking in the office... and no silver spoon from Yale or Harvard could come close.

Bush has made decisions that some people liked and some didn't. There are some decisions that are unpopular anyway you want to look at it.

Take the gas prices that were brought up. GWB is a lame duck and in 2 years he is out. If he wanted to be popular, he could easily push for repealing all federal gas taxes. Everyone would cheer, "yay cheaper gas"... and in 2-5 years when the highways are falling apart because the tax money that goes to repair them, isn't there, then people will be compaining that the roads suck... and that administration will have to take the heat for fixing them... and probably re-instate the tax... but GWB wouldn't care at that point as it would be someone else's problem.

ABF... it would be much easier to give your opinions merit, if it didn't read like it was written by a 12 year old. The fact that you are commenting on other people's intelligence is the biggest oxymoronic thing I've seen in months.

My pre-teens had issues with various things as they were growing up and my advice to them was simple. If you have a problem that there is a solution for, use it and then work to fix the problem. Complaining that people notice the problem doesn't solve it. Ignoring it doesn't improve it.

Quite frankly, literacy isn't a bonus... it is a minimum expectation

05-02-06, 12:17 AM

What was a great topic to start reading on with some objectiveness, it turned bad with the name calling.

In general I support the president, but not every decision. I believe he had to deal with some issues compounded by events outside his realm.

9/11, sure it may have been prevented, but I doubt at 100%. Not finding Bin Laden yet, well geeze, how well does anybody find a needle in a Mountain Range?

Then you have Iraq, I don't know the full truth, and I don't think anybody really does. I will say that many made mistakes, some changed sides, however I do hope he stays the course, and in future years we see the fruits of today’s sacrifices.

Then lets add in natural disasters, oh my, they are always the president's fault...geeze However I do think that Hurricane Katrina's impact could have been cut to 10% damage of what it was, if they (Federal, State, Parish, City) had done their jobs and fought corruption.

Do I support him, well someone has to. I would have supported whoever was in office that was intelligent and gave a crap about some small people, even if they do not know how to give a good speech, or communicate well in public. He is smart.

My main problem is congress. Yes the people we as American's elect. I believe we should throw everyone out just to be objective, and start from scratch. We should cut their pay, so only the willing want the job. Cut lobbying financial incentives, as there are other ways to convince a person that is ethical. Didn't any of them take any business courses in college? At times it seems I know more then them. Here is the problem, I would run, and really piss people off trying to do the right thing, the problem is, why would anyone support an unknown person with no money, and no political experience? If you say you would, then you better ban together and get me elected!

Just my thoughts and I am trying to be objective. I am primarily Republican, but they all piss me off.

Bobby

Edit:

Immigration? If you are here legally, welcome! If you are not, get out and try again. People for instance here from Mexico have stiff immigration laws compared to the United States. I admire people who follow a hard system to become citizens, and work hard to support their family and/or ambitions. I have no sympathy or empathy for people who want to become a citizen of the United States, yet am already breaking the current laws. When I am in Mexico, I will follow the laws, and I will respect the culture and diversity I am not accustom to, I will even speak as much Spanish as I can learn to get myself around, however I expect the same. Close the border first. Create a program to have fines for current illegal immigrants, teach them English, and ensure they are not hurting the system we are struggling to maintain. Felony ideas are ridiculous, but I would support a misdemeanor charge. Good luck to those who want to follow the legal path, we look forward to getting to know you, but those that continue to want to break our laws, are not welcome.

JMJSelect · 05-02-06, 12:42 AM

I don't feel like quoting peps here, i'm tired and am about to go pass out, so i'll just post in order with "-" to mark people

-radiums:

Don't get me wrong the pres did good by getting out of the way of the people(cutting taxes). But he is allowing spending(I'm really amazed at the spending) to go thru the roof. And don't tell me its cause of the war and katrina, the government spent hundreds of thousands even millions on stuff like a bus stop(1 single bus stop), bird watching platforms, research on why fish get sick when companies dump waste into rivers and streams(um.... maybe cause companies dump waste in the water, and that was the conclusion was after spending hundreds of thousands),........... And now this prostitution scandel.

Washington spent millions on a limo contract to transport(I forgot if it was HLS or defense) and get wax jobs.

spending is way out of control, and don't blame democans NO republicrats are in power.

The economy is great because the government got out of the way of the people so that we could do what we do, bush understood this and he gets credit for getting out of the way.

illegals. what are you talking about its a tough issue. Who is the president of the USA suppose to represent? American's or mexicans? the president is representing illegal aliens who break the law. They cross the boarder illegally, the break the law by staying here, they break the law by driving without a license, they break the law when they work, they break the law when they par take in identity theft when they give employers stolen ss numbers, they break the law getting illegal licenses,........... WHY is this an issue, they are criminals. bush has out right said he wants amnesty. he wants these criminals to become citizens. and on top of this he wants millions more to cross the boarder while we are fighting over this. HE WONT CLOSE THE BOARDER.

how did we get those jobs done before illegals??????? If this wasn't a problem 30-40 years ago how did we get tomatoes on our plates? roofs over our heads? roads to travel on? lawns landscaped?

@ pocket brain, i'm confused it's 8.5 cents per dollar from the oil companies. but I thought it was 50 cents per dollar for all taxes average?

@stevenator. I'm not complaining about the economy or gas. the economy is great and gas is gas just like any other commodity(sp?)

@eric. bush is a republicrate, yes he has made some very good decisions on stuff like iraq, taxes, trying to reform ss,.... But the bad decisions he has made overshadow his good(and i'm looking at the big picture here).

illegal immigration
spending
homeland defense(ports, boarders, hmls,.... and he's now trying to sell something else off to dubai.)
spending
spending
spending
education

i'm sorry but these issues that bush has wrong is more destructive to the US than the good are to help the US.

I cannot say that i'm proud of him.

I cannot say that i'm proud of the government either, it tells alot when the majority of the citiizens of america are distancing themselves from their parties. conservative from republicans and democrates from liberals. The government has failed the people, and the blame falls on the people.

oh I remember what it was now, A major military contractor who makes parts for vehicles for the US army/navy/marines/air force is selling the contract to none other than the government of dubai, yes the same government that was to take over ports in the US. So when the Islamic government of dubai wants to screw us all they have to do is stop suppling parts that makes hummvies run, or tanks, or armored personal carriers,......

********EDIT: oh and i'm no longer able to say the i'm proud of channey(sp?) either: He had the opportunity to kill a lawyer and he didn't.

05-02-06, 12:48 AM

***off topic***
Wow, you didn't quote me for once, should I be honored or dissapointed?