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Old 05-31-06, 02:22 PM   #61 (permalink)
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And from the news of the day....

The title of the story is:
U.S. Troops Kill Pregnant Woman in Iraq

However, it could have been:
Car Speeds Through Military Checkpoint Despite Warnings


Which one would generate the most "pop"?
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/31/D8HUT0B81.html


It only makes the news because it gives the writer an opportunity to plug the Haditha controversy... Riding the coat-tail of controversy
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Old 05-31-06, 03:33 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Having read all the posts I have one thing to say

In a perfect world we shouldn't judge all American soldiers based on the alleged actions of a few crazy soldiers.
However we are not in a perfect world and the American army will be judged by (allegedly) a few silly soldiers actions.

When I used to work for someone else I had to wear a uniform and was told that in that uniform my actions reflected on that company - same thing I was told when I was in the British army - maybe its time to remind your ambassadors (soldier's) this.

What worries me is how many more decent soldiers are going to die because of the actions (allegedly) of a few stupid morons!
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Old 05-31-06, 03:37 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by radimus
OK.. by that same concept: Lybia sponsoring the deaths from the airplane they blew up?

9/11

the daily palistinian suicide bombings of buses and pizza parlors

The daily car bombings of civilian markets in Iraq.

The Russian School captured

The kidnappings and executions of aid workers

At what time acts of "a few" become something you feel responsible for?

Then the entire Middle East must be lumped up in the same fashion as you ascribe to the US...
You are completely right: You have reached the same level as Lybia. Thats all I wanted to say.
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Old 05-31-06, 04:30 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Just read a little more about this story. Seems as though the jury is out still as to what actually happened here and that there's really no evidence so far to convict these soldiers. So I say while these guys are out there putting their lives on the line lets give them the benefit of the doubt until we find out exactly what happened. If they did indeed commit crimes they will be justly punished. Sam, if you want to call me an evil SOB baby killer go right ahead, I've been called worse by better.
 
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Originally Posted by justpaul205
Just read a little more about this story. Seems as though the jury is out still as to what actually happened here and that there's really no evidence so far to convict these soldiers. So I say while these guys are out there putting their lives on the line lets give them the benefit of the doubt until we find out exactly what happened. If they did indeed commit crimes they will be justly punished. Sam, if you want to call me an evil SOB baby killer go right ahead, I've been called worse by better.
I dont know really who you are. But anybody who supports this war must be aware that he supports a war that is against international law and a war where lots of crimes are committed. Decide yourself.
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But anybody who supports this war must be aware that he supports a war that is against international law and a war where lots of crimes are committed. Decide yourself.
and I thought war is when they give lollipops out
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Originally Posted by saminegm
I dont know really who you are. But anybody who supports this war must be aware that he supports a war that is against international law and a war where lots of crimes are committed. Decide yourself.
Reading the post to which this refers I in no way see how you have decided he supports the war - he might - but that is not what he has posted.

Please realise supporting your soldiers can be totally different than supporting your countries decision on entering a conflict - In my opinion once a conflict has started it is every civilians duty to support their nations soldiers regardless of whether you agree with a conflict.
Disagreeing with your goverment doesn't mean you are not in full support of your soldiers
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Old 05-31-06, 05:11 PM   #69 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Jukov
and I thought war is when they give lollipops out
Lollipops!!
Get your Lollipops here!!
We have Cherry, Lemon, Grape and Rootbeer Flavored Lollipops:approve:
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just something to think about
In the Iraq theater of operations during the last 22 months (as of fall 2005) and a total of 2112
deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000. The rate in
Washington D.C. (among others) is 80.6 per 100,000. That means that you
are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in our Nation's Capitol,
which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation, than you
are in Iraq.

Conclusion: We should immediately pull out of Washington D.C.
 
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Originally Posted by saminegm
Of course, Haditha, is a single incident. Of course, Abu Ghureib is a single incident. Of course, Guantanamo is a single incident...

Arguing this way you could say that the killing of 6 Million jewish people in Germany was just "the actions of a few deviants". Wake up! This War is against international law.

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ACTIONS DONE IN THE NAME OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

And ... I am no racist at all... that is ridiculous.
Actually, I did not call you a racist. I stated that your comment was racist in nature.

The comparison to the Nazi slaughter of millions to the current situation is offensive at best. Such a statement should be embarrassing to make. before invoking such a comparison, you might do well to indicate that you have some standing to make such comparison.

It seems to be the refuge of the hopelessly irrational, who cannot win an argument on merit to attack on a personal basis and compare to an event whose hyperbole is obvious to anyone who is capable of reason.

Please note that I am not stating that you are an irrational person, but your words to this point are cause for concern.

I wish you the best in your cause.
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Originally Posted by Jukov
and I thought war is when they give lollipops out
Can it be a war on crime? Scruff McGruff can be my war hero any day! "Take a bite out of crime!"
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I say the U.S. should pull out today and apologize for their actions. The Sunnis will be so happy, they will all go outside, empty their AK-47 clips into the air in celebration, and die in a hail of bullets. Then they will be no more trouble.
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Old 05-31-06, 06:35 PM   #74 (permalink)
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I dont know really who you are. But anybody who supports this war must be aware that he supports a war that is against international law and a war where lots of crimes are committed. Decide yourself.
I'll tell you what I am for:

For removing a horrible dictator that gased his own people.

For removing the rape rooms where women were violently raped and then murdered, often in front of their husbands.

For removing the horrible dictator's sons who often times took turns in the rape rooms as well as various other torture methods, which I might add were a lot more painful (and often resulted in death) than putting underwear on people's head.

For pre-emptive strike on a dictator who repeatidly denied inspections on WMD. I don't really care whether or not he had them, we thought he did and he wasn't forthcoming, we're not in a time in our history when we can sit on our hands.

For putting an end to the mass-graves.

For stopping a potentially harmful regime BEFORE they can become a danger to the U.S.

I think that's about it, now I know you're going to reply back to every one of these with a basic, "Sadam is rubber and you're glue" type arguement so I'm just going to make this my last post on the subject.

If I haven't made it completely clear yet I am in support of this war, this President, and these soldiers. I will say again though that if our soldiers do break OUR laws they should be punished accordingly. However, it is dangerous for our political leaders as well as the drive-by media to constantly report this type of material while it remains unsubstantiated, all it does is put our soldiers in harm.

All done, everyone enjoy their evening!
 
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Originally Posted by justpaul205
I'll tell you what I am for:

For removing a horrible dictator that gased his own people.

For removing the rape rooms where women were violently raped and then murdered, often in front of their husbands.

For removing the horrible dictator's sons who often times took turns in the rape rooms as well as various other torture methods, which I might add were a lot more painful (and often resulted in death) than putting underwear on people's head.

For pre-emptive strike on a dictator who repeatidly denied inspections on WMD. I don't really care whether or not he had them, we thought he did and he wasn't forthcoming, we're not in a time in our history when we can sit on our hands.

For putting an end to the mass-graves.

For stopping a potentially harmful regime BEFORE they can become a danger to the U.S.

I think that's about it, now I know you're going to reply back to every one of these with a basic, "Sadam is rubber and you're glue" type arguement so I'm just going to make this my last post on the subject.

If I haven't made it completely clear yet I am in support of this war, this President, and these soldiers. I will say again though that if our soldiers do break OUR laws they should be punished accordingly. However, it is dangerous for our political leaders as well as the drive-by media to constantly report this type of material while it remains unsubstantiated, all it does is put our soldiers in harm.

All done, everyone enjoy their evening!

If I didn't hate being bated into these kind of threads, I would have said exactly what Justpaul205 has said!!
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