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Old 06-16-06, 09:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Internet Freedom at Stake

Your isp can control how much bandwidth or speed you have, but soon they may be able to control the sites you go to also. I dont know if its already posted but, here is the linkto the article ive quoted below.

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The Internet as we know it is facing a serious threat. There's a debate heating up in Washington, DC on something called "net neutrality" – and it's a debate that's so important Google is asking you to get involved. We're asking you to take action to protect Internet freedom.

In the next few days, the House of Representatives is going to vote on a bill that would fundamentally alter the Internet. That bill, and one that may come up for a key vote in the Senate in the next few weeks, would give the big phone and cable companies the power to pick and choose what you will be able to see and do on the Internet.

Today the Internet is an information highway where anybody – no matter how large or small, how traditional or unconventional – has equal access. But the phone and cable monopolies, who control almost all Internet access, want the power to choose who gets access to high-speed lanes and whose content gets seen first and fastest. They want to build a two-tiered system and block the on-ramps for those who can't pay.

Creativity, innovation and a free and open marketplace are all at stake in this fight. Please call your representative (202-224-3121) and let your voice be heard.

Thanks for your time, your concern and your support.

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Old 06-16-06, 10:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah I heard about this.

basically it will let your isp hold any website ransom unless it pays whatever amount to the isp so that it wont mess with the bandwidth.

so if the website wont pay the ransom the website will be so bogged down that it'll basically be useless.
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Old 06-16-06, 10:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Wow that's crazy! Internet extortion!
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Old 06-16-06, 11:22 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Just remember that everyone has a point of view, even Google.

Internet bandwidth requirements are growing exponentially, yet the market expectation is that prices are coming down.

While I don't agree with the idea, I believe that one of the reasons behind its development was to provide a way of assistance to this growth.

In today's world of "I won't pay, I'll just download it for free" it HIGHLY unlikely get any traction for various reasons.
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Old 06-16-06, 11:34 PM   #5 (permalink)
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This isn't a republican vs. democrat issue, but unfortunately republican politicians are the ones mainly in support of this passing. The bill (without 'net neutrality) has just passed the house and is on its way to the senate. Please contact your senator and tell them to support 'Net Neutrality'. The internet will soon become Pay to Play if net neutrality is not included, meaning small sites can be squeezed off the internet and replaced by coorporate owned sites. Think of the internet suddenly becoming like cable television... only a select few channels to choose from, and all of those owned by huge corps. Bad news !

(This has NOTHING to do with downloading for free (piracy??). Not sure where the previous poster was going with that. We already pay our ISP's for the bandwidth to surf the net and download legal content.

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Old 06-16-06, 11:40 PM   #6 (permalink)
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But if you look at the architecture of the Internet today there are many scenarios where it could be considered to not be Net Neutral.

And it IS owned by the "huge corps".

It's a little bit more complicated than the "big guys" trying to screw the "little guys" out of content and money.
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Old 06-16-06, 11:49 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The pipes are owned by corps.. right. But those corps want to put up tollbooths in front of popular sites. This will forever change the internet as it is today. This is bad news. How can you possibly stick up for this?
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Old 06-16-06, 11:57 PM   #8 (permalink)
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howard how is this gonna help growth?

pretty much every website is now gonna have to pay more now. it's like taxes, the more taxes the less growth.

what this is, is basically isp's using lobbists to get the government to squeeze more money out of the people(because in any economy the costs always gets handed to the people). this has nothing to do with growth and all to do with money.


big corps? aximsite.com is owned by a big corp?


honestly howard you need to do more research into this, you don't know exactly what the situation is.

corporations who own websites or networks are not the driving force for this, isp's are the ones pushing for this. they want money from the corps.

the isp's are trying to screw the "big guys" and ultimately this will hurt, potentionally seriously hurt, the people who surf the web. because of the extra costs all websites cost will go up and in order to be able to keep a site up revenues will have to go up and the only way to do that is to charge the people more.

internet surfing is pretty much free now-a-days to none service sites, if this passes those sites will have more costs and will need to start charging $$$ to be able to stay online.


how is this gonna help growth? people aren't gonna pay $$$ to surf a site if you can do it now for free. less people = less traffic to websites which = less revenues. and it costs $$$ to run a website.
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Old 06-17-06, 12:01 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Like I said in my original post, I think it's a bad idea.

I just don't see it as them wanting to stick up toll booths in front of popular sites. My understanding is that it's more about enforcing QoS with a paid subscription model.

And my comment about piracy was double sided. It reflects the "I don't care where the resource comes from, I just don't think I should have to pay for it" attitude -and- ironically, the distribution of content (such as video) over the Internet and the larger scale effects.

I don't support the idea of toll booths but I don't think that's what this is about.

I don't actively support the idea of the QoS implementations either, but I'm not convinced that this need to be vilified quite as much as it is.

I'll be doing more reading on it before bringing out the pitchforks.
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Old 06-17-06, 12:03 AM   #10 (permalink)
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yes. agree. this is a serius issue that needs to be solved. the right way. most of you know which is the right way. i (well my dad & mom) pay $50 for 5 down 3 up. this is as slow as i can go. on an average day more then 800gb is transfered through my array of switches, firewalls and out onto the web. we cant afford to pay bandwith wise. that would be a lot of green. in reality NOONE OWNS THE VAST DATA PIPES WE CONSIDER TO BE THE INTERNET! the govenment/ 3ed partys HAVE NO RIGHTS TO CHARGE EXTRA! that is like going to you naghbors house and saying "if you dont pay me for every gallen of water you use then i will limt you to 1/2 a gallan a day, america is a free country however those corps have no right to do what they are suggesting.

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Old 06-17-06, 12:03 AM   #11 (permalink)
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JMJ,

I haven't seen anywhere where it's been stated that the intent is to toll booth traffic.

If you can show me this from a reputable site I'd certainly be interested. I DO need to do more research on it. I think we all should.
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Originally Posted by aximbigfan
in reality NOONE OWNS THE VAST DATA PIPES WE CONSIDER TO BE THE INTERNET! the govenment/ 3ed partys HAVE NO RIGHTS TO CHARGE EXTRA! that is like going to you naghbors house and saying "if you dont pay me for every gallen of water you use then i will limt you to 1/2 a gallan a day, america is a free country however those corps have no right to do what they are suggesting.

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That is GROSSLY incorrect. Sorry.
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That is GROSSLY incorrect. Sorry.
i have read many of the artical thoughly. i dont see how my post is inaccurate in any way.


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I'd suggest some research on the architecture of the Internet.

Then tell me who provides these "vast data pipes" and who owns and operates them. You'll find that it's not "no one".
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Originally Posted by Howard2k
I'd suggest some research on the architecture of the Internet.

Then tell me who provides these "vast data pipes" and who owns and operates them. You'll find that it's not "no one".
i suggest you think about what i said a little more.

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