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Old 06-22-06, 01:35 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I seem to remember something about Iraq being a direct threat to the United States as well. Even assuming these weapons were still viable, explain to me how they would pose a threat to us.
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Old 06-22-06, 02:03 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by duality169
I seem to remember something about Iraq being a direct threat to the United States as well. Even assuming these weapons were still viable, explain to me how they would pose a threat to us.
That statement was in reference to Saddam having ties to terrorist groups and potential willingness to share weapons and aid with them.

http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/8453
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http://www.nysun.com/article/3413

http://washingtontimes.com/commentar...2504-6559r.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...yses/ishe.html
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Old 06-22-06, 02:22 PM   #18 (permalink)
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http://goofyblog.net/republican-rick...pise-surprise/

...and the truth comes out....
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Old 06-22-06, 02:28 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by reese
http://goofyblog.net/republican-rick...pise-surprise/

...and the truth comes out....

Please don't post blogger crap as real references.

The article itself said most of that, the artile aslo said that the issue wasn't so much that these are the weapons the US was looking for, but that the inspection process missed them over 5-10 years worth of inspections...
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Old 06-22-06, 02:36 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by radimus
Please don't post blogger crap as real references.
how about the DoD disavowing Santorum's claims then?
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/21/...vows-santorum/



Santorum is such a retard!
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Old 06-22-06, 02:43 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by JMJSelect
Here is the declassified document that says it all, in pdf.

dated june 21, 2006. THIS IS BREAKING NEWS

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...classified.pdf

here's a pic of the main part if you don't have pdf.



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500 wmd's found in iraq since 2003, you wanted to know where they were, there you go. come on demonrats and anti-war and anti-americans let's hear it.





how did the US lie when we said saddam had wmds??????

I have a great deal on OCEAN FRONT property in Arizona, that I'm sure you will be interested in. Just look for my ads on Fox.
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Old 06-22-06, 02:50 PM   #22 (permalink)
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If you look at the link provided in the3 post of this thread (My first) is a link to a NON-foxnews story, where is says:

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In 2004, the US army said it had found a shell containing sarin gas and another shell containing mustard gas, and a Pentagon official said at the time the discovery showed there were likely more.

The intelligence overview published Wednesday stressed that the pre-Gulf War Iraqi chemical weapons could be sold on the black market.

"Use of these weapons by terrorists or insurgent groups would have implications for coalition forces in Iraq. The possibility of use outside Iraq cannot be ruled out," it said.

Santorum said the two-month-old report was prepared by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a military intelligence agency that started looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when the Iraq Survey Group stopped doing so in late 2004.

Last year the head of Iraq Survey Group, Charles Duelfer, said that insurgents in Iraq had already used old chemical weapons in their attacks.

Nevertheless, "the impression that the Iraqi Survey Group left with the American people was they didn't find anything," Hoekstra said.

"But this says: Weapons have been discovered; more weapons exist. And they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," he said.

Obviously, The two congressmen are making a mountain out of a molehill.. Which in some places is called "Politicking to the media"

However, remember when Saddam said that he had destroyed all his weapons?.. he obviously didn't.. He squirreled them away after DS1 and either forgot about them, deliberately obscured them, or they were stolen by interested 3rd parties.

The 3rd one is basis for one of the "excuses" given to invade Iraq to begin with...

If these things are 15 or 20 years old, how is it that the weapons inspectors missed them for 10 years worth of inspections... because the inspectors always said there were none, and the old ones were there...
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Old 06-22-06, 03:49 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Just to lay this to rest entirely, the Defense Department is debunking Santorum's claims:

"Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions. 'This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991,' the official said, adding the munitions 'are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war.'"

Moving on, I think accusing the critically-minded of anti-Americanism is itself an anti-American act. All of our Constitutional protections are designed to promote independent thought, not to stifle it.
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No one said they were usable as they were

The report was as accurate as given. They were there, some did contain WMD material (sarin gas and Mustard gas)

The senators reported accurately... they may have allowed people to think it was more than it was... just as others are trying to make it seem less than it is.
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The point to my last post in this thread was that the *administration* and the *Defense Department* are saying that this is NOT what a lot of right-wingers wish it was.
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Originally Posted by Frannyman
if someone takes a test tube and trows it at you, can it be considered a chemical weapon?
If it had a nasty chemical in it (degraded or otherwise), yes. Consider this, if I did throw a test tube containing an unknown substance, what would you do?
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Originally Posted by reese
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What, with a hook for a hand?
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You would be suprised how agile I am with a hook for a hand LOL!
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Originally Posted by reese
You would be suprised how agile I am with a hook for a hand LOL!
I think, on balance, I'd rather you didn't surprise me:hide:
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