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Old 07-07-06, 03:16 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Howard2k
Microsoft is buying back people's iTunes music??
The article I read said that MS would scan your iTunes library and they would legally purchase all the songs you bought on iTunes on their new service.

Doubtful, but it would be awesome if they did that. Then people actually could switch devices without losing their music (I hate that iTunes isn't comptable with anything but the iPod)
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Old 07-07-06, 03:20 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I admit that pirating music is not to the best interest of the artist that composed it. This said pirating music was here before the iPod. My beef is that M$ is again trying to monopolize a market by trying to eliminate the little guy (pretty much like Walmart is doing too) Why isn't M$ just buy Apple and solve the problem once and for all.
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Old 07-07-06, 03:24 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Frenchy
I admit that pirating music is not to the best interest of the artist that composed it. This said pirating music was here before the iPod. My beef is that M$ is again trying to monopolize a market by trying to eliminate the little guy (pretty much like Walmart is doing too) Why isn't M$ just buy Apple and solve the problem once and for all.
actully many artist dont mind that peopel are pirating their music. thios being that say one freind say "ok here is this song" and the recipiant says "hey ilike this song i think i will go to their concert" they make real money off of concerts. what really annoys me is that i bought "depeche mode remixes 81-04 and it was infested with drm. it wouldnt let me copy the songs to my network hdd im not goin to say any more about how i uh.... got it to work the way i wanted it to...


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Old 07-07-06, 03:25 PM   #19 (permalink)
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The other rumour though is that there will be another new iPod coming out this christmas that will be more like a PVR (like the archos pieces) and have a ton more features.

That rumour does have some justification in that it fits the iPod timeline.

I cannot find the links now, but I remember thinking it was a pretty good rumour/guess when I was looking over the rumours and such at ilounge and other sites.



I too do not like apple and had a big problem with the ipod image. It bugs me and I do not like it, but I have one since it is the best player I have used (or a year ago at the time it was) and their software is easy to use (so my family members and friends that are computer illiterate can easily use it). WMP maybe easy for us computer people, but it is not as easy as itunes for the computer illiterate).

Also, with sound comparisons make sure you use good headphones. Headphones/speakers make a huge difference. To compare my Axim/iPod/Dell DJ I used Etymotic earphones and found the iPod to be best, then Axim, then dell dj, although all were very close in sound quality, and still my PC sounds the best :p
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Old 07-07-06, 03:28 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by aximbigfan
actully many artist dont mind that peopel are pirating their music. thios being that say one freind say "ok here is this song" and the recipiant says "hey ilike this song i think i will go to their concert" they make real money off of concerts. what really annoys me is that i bought "depeche mode remixes 81-04 and it was infested with drm. it wouldnt let me copy the songs to my network hdd im not goin to say any more about how i uh.... got it to work the way i wanted it to...


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Some artists don't mind, but some do. Depends on the artist.

Also, they are free to do as they wish with DRM on CDs, for a long time there was a debate whether all CDs should be made so they cannot be played on computers at all, but that has quieted down a bit now with Digital Music becoming so popular. So consider yourself luckly you can copy any cds to your computer....
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Originally Posted by Grentz
Some artists don't mind, but some do. Depends on the artist.

Also, they are free to do as they wish with DRM on CDs, for a long time there was a debate whether all CDs should be made so they cannot be played on computers at all, but that has quieted down a bit now with Digital Music becoming so popular. So consider yourself luckly you can copy any cds to your computer....
well there is alway a way to hack it....


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Old 07-07-06, 03:39 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Frenchy
I admit that pirating music is not to the best interest of the artist that composed it. This said pirating music was here before the iPod. My beef is that M$ is again trying to monopolize a market by trying to eliminate the little guy (pretty much like Walmart is doing too) Why isn't M$ just buy Apple and solve the problem once and for all.
Frenchy, did you hit your head?

You think MS is monopolizing the market? MS came up with Plays for sure, which is available on many many MP3 players, not just microsoft's. It is also on many music stores such as napster, Wal-Mart, and MS's.

Apple is the one with the music that is DRM locked in such a way that music bought on iTunes can only be played on the iPod, and the iPod can only connect to iTunes. MS isn't eliminating the little guy, they are gaining him some ground against the Monopolistic iTunes/iPod combo.
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Old 07-07-06, 03:51 PM   #23 (permalink)
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The artists don't make money so much off the concerts, they use the concerts to promote their albums. They make money off the album sales.

I have an ipod and I love it. It's easy to use and it does what it's supposed to do. When I use it it's in my pocket so nobody sees it. I don't care if people know I have one or not. In fact, I prefer not to advertise that I have one so nobody is tempted to steal it.
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if i am not mistaken bill gates has money invested in apple they were getting ready to fold up about 5 yrs ago and ms saved their arse
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Old 07-07-06, 03:53 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by stevenator65
The artists don't make money so much off the concerts...
I believe you are mistaken.

"The trick is that musicians get a much higher percentage of the money from concerts and merchandise than they do from the sale of their CDs."

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/conten...alk_surowiecki

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Old 07-07-06, 04:51 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by aximbigfan
well i hate it becouse apple made it into this "must have bling thing" and everyone walks around with it they didnt evn buy it for use, just becouse they wanted to look cool and then esspecially at schools they constaltly walk up to you and say how cool their ipod is and how it beats all the devices you have. the other reason is becouse if the ipod haddent been invented then there would be no riaa. this being becouse much less peopel would be pirating music. the ipod has soiled the letter "i". the finl thign isthat i am just plain sick of people walking around with their ipod hanging off of a (probubly sliver colored plastc) silver chain like it is some sort of medal. the world would be am uch better plce without the ipod.


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*sigh*. I'm shaking my head right now.

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made it into this "must have bling thing"
you mean that they were able to market it successfully, then what you're really saying is that you're annoyed that they succeeded in their capitalism and free enterprise strategy. I'm not sure WHY that would annoy you, but I'm sure you have your reasons.

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everyone walks around with it they didnt evn buy it for use, just becouse they wanted to look cool
Could you be any more wrong? I don't know ANYONE that bought an iPod NOT to use for music. Considering most people keep them in their pockets, if there ARE people alive that bought it to look cool then yes, they completely missed the point. Not sure how that's a fault with the product though. The fact that it has ~80% of the market share is not because people like to look cool with them.

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The RIAA predates the iPod.

RIAA - formed in 1952.
iPod - launched in 2001.

It wasn't even the same century!! The iPod was launched 49 years later.

If there was a turning point in the explosion of music piracy it was the launch of Napster in 1999. Note: 1999 is also in the previous century, although we're only talking about 2 years prior to the iPod.

Of if you don't want to blame Napster you could point to Rio and their PMP300. The first mass market MP3 player. This was launched in 1998. 3 years before the iPod.

Of course - you have nothing against Rio or Creative for being in the market before Apple right?

The whole concept of Apple creating music piracy is so far from the truth that it's like you do you research on the "alternative universe" Internet, which to be honest DOES sound kinda cool. Maybe you could show us how to access this auI.
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Originally Posted by axzilla
if i am not mistaken bill gates has money invested in apple they were getting ready to fold up about 5 yrs ago and ms saved their arse

Back in 97, Gates invested $150m into Apple.

I *think* this was tied into development and support agreements for Microsoft products on the Mac platform, but I'm not sure of the whole story.
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Originally Posted by reese

Apple is the one with the music that is DRM locked in such a way that music bought on iTunes can only be played on the iPod, and the iPod can only connect to iTunes. MS isn't eliminating the little guy, they are gaining him some ground against the Monopolistic iTunes/iPod combo.
Maybe this is being pedantic, but what's the difference between Microsoft's DRM and Apple's DRM?

Microsoft's DRM is ALSO proprietary and limits which devices you can use. In fact, buying music based on WMA DRM means that you cannot access 80% of the players in circulation.

So either way it's potentially an annoyance, but I think your problem with with DRM, not with Apple.

And both Microsoft and Apple let you burn your music to CD so you can then re-rip to use on other devices.
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Old 07-07-06, 05:30 PM   #29 (permalink)
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iPod will not be beat

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Saw this on the news this morning and thought it looked interesting
Yep and as soon as Microsoft releases their so called iPod killer, Steve Jobs will announce another spectacular breathtaking device that just can't be beat. Let's face it, Apple dictates the way computers and devices are designed. Look at all the MP3 players out there that look like an iPod. Also, look at how many notebooks by Dell and HP that take on the design of the Macbook and now that Intel chips are in the Macbooks, I can run a dual OS notebook computer and have the best of both worlds. The next breakthrough will be an iPhone. BTW, I do not own an iPod or any other MP3 player other than my Axim x50v.

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I love wal mart songs for 88 cents, thats what I use, if I can't find it free on various MP3 search engines.
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