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Old 07-28-06, 04:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Exclamation High Schoolers - Read this if you value your privacy!

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Originally Posted by Military Free Zone
Under the No Child Left Behind Act, if you attend a public high school, your school system is required to turn over YOUR private information to the US military unless you OPT OUT! Sec 9528 of The No Child Left Behind Act gives you the right to OPT OUT! by turning in a form signed by your guardian or parent stating that you do not want the military to have access to your private information.

Do you guys agree with this "invasion of privacy"?
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Old 07-28-06, 04:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Perhaps invasion of privacy but, although I don't agree with the invasion, I think the school system (or anyone in the know), should inform these high schoolers!
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Old 07-28-06, 04:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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isn't this the SAME information that is provided to colleges for purposes of recuitment.
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Old 07-28-06, 04:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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People choose which colleges (if any) their info goes out to. That isn't an invasion of privacy.
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Old 07-28-06, 04:53 PM   #5 (permalink)
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That is true....but not horribly different than past tactics used by the military for recruiting purposes. Dont forget every male at age 18 must register for selective service....and many states tie that registration to voter eligibility or drivers license eligibility.

And for those of us who cant afford college outright, submitting the FAFSA (fed application for student aid) for loan or grant money also requires that you be registered.



Dont get me wrong...I dont want military recruiters knocking on my door and I'm not a big fan of our current foreign policy....but that said, the US is rather special in its volunteer army, many countries still have required service for young men...and I would rather our system, even with military recruiters getting my name, than be forced into the military. I can always say no to recruiters.

Im past the point where this matters anyways...but my lil bro is in high school, and part of his 'registration' packet was a form asking for a parental signature to opt my brother out of having his name given to the military. I think as long as schools actively provide this form so that parents are informed of the release of their child's contact info (and given a chance to stop it), as my brother's school did, then this does not pose a problem. It is when information is turned over without the knowledge of that person that we have problems.
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Old 07-28-06, 05:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by reese
http://www.militaryfreezone.org/index.html






Do you guys agree with this "invasion of privacy"?
What specific information is the military they entitled to?
For what purpose (or purposes) does the No Child Left Behind Act say it's allowed to use the information?
Is this information granted exclusively to the military or is it information that's also provided to other organizations?

Edit...

I just finished reading the provision.

The military is afforded the same access as post-secondary educational institutions and prospective employers AND parents MUST be notified of their right to opt out.

So, no, I don't have a problem with it.
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Old 07-28-06, 05:51 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by nuclianba
the US is rather special in its volunteer army, many countries still have required service for young men
Well said. :approve:
I heard the other day that all Israeli men are required to be in the service for three years and then are in the reserves for…I think it was...25 years.
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Old 07-28-06, 06:12 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Germany has a mandatory service program as well, although police, public works, forestry, and military service count towards it (2 or 4 years I think)
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Old 07-28-06, 06:14 PM   #9 (permalink)
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At least there is no manditory military service like in some countries (ex. Germany). At least we can opt out :)
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Old 07-28-06, 06:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
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hmmm.... i think they would have it already... when you get a drivers license, you are automatically registered for the military, and they have your info... and i dont particularly care... its not like i could get around a draft or anything.
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And besides all that, there are some benefits that the military does provide...

Take a college bound (or a wanna be college student) The military can provide 20,000-40,000 for college, assuming you take that route, you'd probably be an officer, which would then give 4-8 years of management experience as well as any additional education that you could pick up in that time.

You could very well come out of 8 years of service with a Masters Degree in whatever as well as 8 years of management and experience in whatever field you opted for... paid for and have been employed the whole time.


Can't ask for any EO better than that, no need for trying to get scholorships and grants.. your Arkansas pig farmer's kids and Compton street hoodlum and Mexican immigrant kid. Just need grades and desire.
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Old 07-28-06, 08:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
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if the state run government schools want money from the federal government then they have to abide by the rules of the loaner.

the schools themselves agreed to this, so why don't you go after the schools?
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Telling people would create too much paranoia. The government has a right to your personal info. In the 21st century the government has to check into your personal info a lot more, b/c of terrorism and that kind of stuff.

This isn't an invasion of privacy. The government can do what they want with your info, and if you don't like it, I'd suggest you mode out.

I mean afterall, what are they going to do with your info, put it on national tv, or worse, put it on myspace. Unless you have something to hide, don't worry. I am a high schooler, and i could care less if the gov't or military has my personal info. The gov't can have all the info they want on you.
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Old 07-28-06, 11:07 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Though I understand a parents concerns that the military might contact thier child, a person has to be at least 18 years old to join without parent consent/signature. The thing that puzzles me is that parents will send their 16 year old off on spring break for a week with a car load of other 16-18 year-olds, trusting they are mature enough to make the right decisions; yet these same parent can't trust them to tell a recruiter not to bother them. Is this really for the protection of their "child" or is it for the comfort of the parent to know there's no chance Uncle Sam is gonna take their "baby" away? It just doesn't make sense. I personally spent 22 years in military service to our nation (now retired from the Army), and don't regret one minute of it. Well, there were a couple of things I wish I could do differently :) . Having two children of my own (12 and 15), I hope they choose to be a doctor or lawyer; after all don't we all want our children become "important" people. But if they choose national service once they are of age to do so, I will support them 100%. Now that I have been "demilitarized" and am in the civilian work force, I am able to speak from both sides. The problem is that most people have no idea what the armed services is all about. They watch a "Rambo" or "Saving Private Ryan" and think they know and understand. The military is not a bunch of drunken killers who can't wait for their next bar brawl. It's truly a brotherhood and large extended family. I have "Army family" in the four corners of the world and if I called them in need of help today, they would be here tomorrow. It's a military thing, you have to experience it to truly understand.

Any other Vets out there wanna chime in???
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