The theory part of Global Warming is that it is solely caused by SUVs. That man is solely responsible for increased CO2 levels and that those increased CO2 levels are the one and only cause of global warming.
There is only one real fact: Gloabal tempatures change and are not constant. They have changed in the past and will change in the future.
To me there is only one question. Can man control the global environment? Not does man affect the environment. Of coarse man affects the environment. I don't think anybody will say man has no affect on the environment.
What this means, is that the sun stays longer in the northern hemisphere and heats up this part of the earth more, and, we are getting warmer. Hence Global Warming.
Wait a moment there, I'm not following you. Whatever the earth axis is, there is an area which gets more sun than any other on earth. What does the fact that it's nearer to the north pole today has to do with global warming ? I mean if it's not near north pole, it's another spot on earth. Why does then the climate stay cooler ? And even if north pole gets more sun, that means that south pole gets less, and everything balances itself.
Hmmm, The earth orbits the sun in an ellips. For us in the northern hemisphere we are actually closer to the sun in the winter time and farther away from the sun in the summer. The earth wobbles and is tilted. It does not spin perpendicular to the sun. In the northen hemisphere the earth is tilted away from the sun in the winter. This is what causes winter, or what we might call global cooling. As the earth wobbles away and the northern hemisphere points at the sun we get global warming (spring then summer). This is also why days are shorter in the winter and longer in the summer, shorter days global cooling, longer global warming. The earths wobble is also not constant and changes.
As for a zero sum game (heating the north means cooling the south), well almost all of us live in the Northern hemisphere. It does seem that us Northern hemisphere occupants are obsessed with global warming. Anybody south of the equator seeing any evidence of global warming, or cooling?
No, wait... By global warming, we mean global as in earth. So everyone is affected, south and north.
As for the orbiting of the earth, I know it's an ellipse and that the axis isn't perpendicular. That doesn't however explain eagle47's comment. If it's not the north pole that is exactly opposite to the sun, it's another point (which is near it anyway, the variation is very small, or else we would have major problems). So whatever the axis situation, there is an area on earth that gets more sun than others. Why does the fact that this area now is nearer to the north pole than it was before, affects global (as in whole earth) warming ?
The only explanation I can find is that the ozone layer is thinner on that spot (not sure, but I think this is true). Therefore, less filtering of the sun beams, and therefore more warming ? Don't know, maybe someone can guide us here :).
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Originally Posted by tallredwookie
To the poster above saying that global warming is a theory. Just stop. Using FoxNews talking points just stinks. Global warming has never been stated as theory, it has been publoshed and backed up by scientific fact, the mainstream media IS foxnews, the most watched tv news channel IS mainstream. The other side to global warming is people who aren't paying attention....Have any of you been to a nuclear plant clean up site? Have any of you seen a strip mine? Have any of you dealt with someone who died from asbestos poisioning?Lung Cancer? I have and all of these were man made and caused by us. At no point should we kid ourselves that we don't impact the environment.
I'm afraid you are mistaken. Global warming is, in fact, a theory. Much the same as the theory of evolution.
There are precious few scientific laws (or “facts”). They would include laws of nature such as: the law of gravity, the law of thermodynamics, and Hook’s law of elasticity.
A theory, on the other hand, is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon hypotheses. A theory is used to make predictions of events. But, given the nature of theories, it is just as possible to disprove as it is to prove. This is due to the fact that laws are used to explain single, provable events. Theories, on the other hand, are complex events that rely on multiple hypotheses to try and predict the outcome of events. The greater the complexity of a theory, then the more room there is for error, or unpredictable results.
The THEORY of global warming is an incredibly complex one. Given this, there is a greater risk for unpredictable outcomes. And, this is the reason that there are scientists who disagree with this theory. Yes, they are out there. They just aren't being given an opportunity to give their "talking points" on FOX News.
The problem now, is that there a lot of people (including the media) that are stating these theories as if they were scientific laws. They are being taught to our children in schools as if they were "facts", along with the theory of evolution. The problem with that is that they are not laws (or "facts") at all, but only theories.
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I find it highly entertaining that the conservative / liberal line seems to sepatare those that believe global warming from those who don't.
This isn't politics... There is an answer. Global Warming is happening. Even if it wasn't, why is reducing pollution bad? Who cares how much it costs? Your money will be worthless when the earth is near uninhabitable.
Magnetic North is not axial north and magnetic north also is not constant and moves. Would movement of magnetic north change weather paterns? Does it indicate, or cause, an change in the earths axis?
One thing that is a problem with the global warming hype is the present day effects are extream compaired to the small to all most no actual measurements. The difference in temperatures "Caused" by global warming is in the tenths of a degree. However the media hype is every event is proof of global warming. More and powerfull storms - global warming, More Rain - Global warming, Less Rain - global warming, Cooler temps ( June was below average here) - global warming, Brush Fires - global warming....etc.
Again, the actual measured temperature for the whole planet have not changed that much. I've seen reports of none to a couple of tenths of one degree. But here in the Northern Hemisphere, where we all live, a very much larger swing in temperatures has been attributed to Global warming. It could be media hype, a statistial blip, random weather, CO2 from SUVs, or maybe even a shift in the earths axis.
It doesn't take a huge temperature swing. 3 degrees cooler and an ice age breaks out and so on. Please quit using the word theory with global warming and stating that the "theory" comes from SUV's is nothing short of false. The pollution comes from manufacturing...go to Mexico sometime and see their plants that make the same product as ours...some are filthy and spewing crap into the atmosphere at alarming rates. Automobiles aren't the sole reason for polution, they just tend to be a huge resource drain.
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I'm afraid you are mistaken. Global warming is, in fact, a theory. Much the same as the theory of evolution.
There are precious few scientific laws (or “facts”). They would include laws of nature such as: the law of gravity, the law of thermodynamics, and Hook’s law of elasticity.
A theory, on the other hand, is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon hypotheses. A theory is used to make predictions of events. But, given the nature of theories, it is just as possible to disprove as it is to prove. This is due to the fact that laws are used to explain single, provable events. Theories, on the other hand, are complex events that rely on multiple hypotheses to try and predict the outcome of events. The greater the complexity of a theory, then the more room there is for error, or unpredictable results.
The THEORY of global warming is an incredibly complex one. Given this, there is a greater risk for unpredictable outcomes. And, this is the reason that there are scientists who disagree with this theory. Yes, they are out there. They just aren't being given an opportunity to give their "talking points" on FOX News.
The problem now, is that there a lot of people (including the media) that are stating these theories as if they were scientific laws. They are being taught to our children in schools as if they were "facts", along with the theory of evolution. The problem with that is that they are not laws (or "facts") at all, but only theories.
The word "theory" has a number of distinct meanings in different fields of knowledge, depending on the context and their methodologies. In common usage, people use the word "theory" to signify "conjecture", "speculation", or "opinion." In this sense, "theories" are opposed to "facts" — parts of the world, or claims about the world, that are real or true regardless of what people think.
In science, a theory is a proposed description, explanation, or model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation.
It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theory which explains why the apple behaves so is the current theory of gravitation.
Tallredwookie, we are in complete agreement. Only, it is impossible to have a discussion with a Global Warming Fanatic without THEM ranting about SUVs and Soccer Moms ruining the plannet. I sit right next to one. He can't even see that not all SUVs get less gas mileage than a car. We went to lunch the other day and a Honda CRV was parked next to a Catty with the NorthStar logo. So I asked him which contributed more to global warming. His answer the SUV. BUUUUZZZZZZZZZZ WRONG! My comments are ment to point out the absurdity of the argument that SUVs are responcible for global warming. And yet they are the precise target of the hype.
Oh and annother point, Global Warming is a Theory, not fact. Its a statistical derivation of questionable data and simplified prediction of the future.
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Originally Posted by reese
The word "theory" has a number of distinct meanings in different fields of knowledge, depending on the context and their methodologies. In common usage, people use the word "theory" to signify "conjecture", "speculation", or "opinion." In this sense, "theories" are opposed to "facts" — parts of the world, or claims about the world, that are real or true regardless of what people think.
In science, a theory is a proposed description, explanation, or model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation.
It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theory which explains why the apple behaves so is the current theory of gravitation.
-Quoth wikipedia
Although the word theory itself may have different meanings. Within scientific terms, it is very specific. Laws, Hypotheses, and Theories have very defined meanings. The problem is that there are a lot of people who are purporting that global warming is a “fact” (i.e. Scientific Law). That is not the case. It is a theory [period]. And as such, it can not be assumed to be a law.
Gravity is, in fact, a law. It is not a theory. I believe this is where a lot of people are confused. They are mistakenly subscribing to theories that they assume to be laws, when they are not. Global warming is not a law, but is a theory. It is being used as a predictor based on hypotheses. These predictions can not be assumed to be law. They are subject to interpretations and the limitations of both the scientists and the ability to obtain accurate and credible data. Weather prediction itself has proven to be impossible to predict with any degree of accuracy.
So the whole notion that we can predict, with any degree of accuracy, the future of the planet is ludicrous. There are scientists who agree with this. Unfortunately, none of them are being lauded by the media and other so called academics.
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Oh and annother point, Global Warming is a Theory, not fact. Its a statistical derivation of questionable data and simplified prediction of the future.
So is gravity.... To be a "theory" means alot in science...
Scientific theories are as close to fact as you can get. Gravity is a theory because you cannot 100% proove something will fall down the next tyme you drop it (though you can say with near certainty)
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