wel I did it.... I installed vista on my inspiron 6000.
intro...
I got ms vista buisness as part of the "power together" campain. I installed on my inspiron 6000 with 512mb of ram and a 1.5ghz proc.
installaion
This went pretty good at first. I tapped f12 to acces the boot menu on my box, and booted from the dvd drive. Easy enough right? the installer booted and said "please wait... loading files..." a few min. later the actual installer app was running. The first things it wanted to know was my name, product key, ect. then it moved on to the disk formtting subapp. If i had to give the disk formatting app a ratig from 1-10 i would give it a 2. the interface was at best clumbsy and there was a lack of options (no option to full format ect) it took me about a minute to figure out how to get it to delete the boot parton, create a new one and then format it to ntfs. once i did that it started installing. installign took a good 15 min. an d when it was "done" it wasnt really, after restarting there was another 5-10min wait while it "configured my desktop".
drivers
after the installtion of an os the first thign I do is install the drivers.
i went to dells site and found that there was only one driver for windows vista 32, which was sound. i downloaded and installed it and then went to the "windows xp" page where i got th rest of the drivers (chipset,ect) all of the drivers intended for win xp 32 seemed to install ok (exept for the modem driver).
use
With drivers out of the way my first instict was to restart and defragment. again, a lack of options. the disk defrager app had almost NO options. you have a schedualing option and that is it, no details, no nothing. so ightn ow i am just messing around with it. the more i see however, the more I dislike it. The interface is ugly and is clumbsy. The stock colors make me want to vomit. anoher compalant I have is that the damn thing is constantly asking if I will athurize some system prosses to do so system task. I have litteraly seen theautherize prompt at least 50 times in my 20 min. of fiddling with vista.
conclusion
I dont recommed vista at all. my reasons are
*lack of drivers
*clumbsy interface
*ugly interface
*lack of options for advanced users
Thanks, ABF, for the mini review. I pretty much felt the same way about it. (I installed it on a spare machine I have at the office and used it for a couple weeks). If it had something really compelling to offer I might overlook all of that but, to be honest, it doesn't. Even the "gadgets" are crude compared to the ones you can get from 3rd parties (for XP) like the Yahoo "widgets". They're really slick.
As I said in another post - Vista will probably do OK in the long run - however the fact that Microsoft is going to support XP through 2011 suggests what I and a lot of other people know; XP is too solid and too well liked to be abandoned quickly and/or easily. Besides - I'm not going to drop the kind of bucks necessary to fix my 4 machines when there ain't anything wrong with 'em. Only 2 of my 4 boxes could support Vista if I wanted to throw away the extra bandwidth on it.
Maybe I'll change my mind one day - but right now I'm not even tempted.
anoher compalant I have is that the damn thing is constantly asking if I will athurize some system prosses to do so system task. I have litteraly seen theautherize prompt at least 50 times in my 20 min. of fiddling with vista.
Yes, its a real problem when security features become more obstructionist than protective. I know that feature can be disabled, but then you get the fool tray icon warning that something's amiss. While my Suse linux laptop requires root/admin privileges for certain operations, it really doesn't feel intrusive to me. Want to change hardware configuration? You get a root password prompt and you're good to go, no legalese boilerplate warning every time you want to do something. I understand Microsoft wants to make the OS more secure, but it's a real hassle if in XP I can install app XYZ with no problem, then hop over to Vista and get an authorization warning for the same app, especially when my profile is an admin profile.
I think it's going to be sort of like the jump from Win 3.x to Win 95 in terms of familiarizing oneself with the layout. Do you want to want to change color depth, screen res or monitor refresh rate? In Win 95, NT4, 98, 98SE, Me, 2000 and XP you can simply right-click on the desktop and it works consistently across those platforms. Not so for Vista. Personally I liked having the display/appearance settings all together with a simple right-click and a few tabs to choose from one module, but as I work with Vista more the general flow of the layout and access to things will become easier.
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Yes, its a real problem when security features become more obstructionist than protective. I know that feature can be disabled, but then you get the fool tray icon warning that something's amiss. While my Suse linux laptop requires root/admin privileges for certain operations, it really doesn't feel intrusive to me. Want to change hardware configuration? You get a root password prompt and you're good to go, no legalese boilerplate warning every time you want to do something. I understand Microsoft wants to make the OS more secure, but it's a real hassle if in XP I can install app XYZ with no problem, then hop over to Vista and get an authorization warning for the same app, especially when my profile is an admin profile.....
That's an important point.
From a security perspective, there's a significant difference between permission and authentication.
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The install is meant to be extremely SIMPLE. Not power user. If you want to be a power user you are a minority in the world and you should know/want to use being a power user other ways to setup your HDDs, partitions, etc. Frankly I had no issue with the disk area and it can do a lot if you just spend a little time with it...i formatted, repartitioned, and change the type of all 3 of my HDDs w/o issue.
The overall install is only a few minutes longer on my desktop than XP was. Lets face it Vista is a new OS and thus meant for newer machines. The same is true with XP and all other past OS (try installing XP on a 100mhz Pentium, guess what, its slower than install 98 or 95!).
Vista has been nothing but awesome for me and I never had to install a driver besides my lan driver as its a weird brand. People complain that it will not run on what they consider an awesome machine they bought just a few years ago? Well its a NEW OS, I cannot stress this enough. Guess what, XP does not work great on machines made for 95 or 98, any ideas why? MS has been nice in letting Vista work at all with older machines as it is meant for the future mainly. Your machine you installed it on is WAY short of being optimal for Vista. 1gb is really a necessary that most have these days and you really should have a faster P4 or at Dual Core CPU, yet you bash it as an OS....not fair IMO. Yes Vista is meant to be an upgrade as well, but an upgrade for the faster machines that have been out for the last few months.
The interface finally fixes issues that were in the old interface and makes it much easier for power users to move around and at the same time adds more simplicity and understanding of the file system for the general public to better use it as well.
Yes, it is different and you have to adapt. Heck it was tough for me at first. But get used to it, learn it, and it's awesome.
You also bash disk defrag and yet obviously are ignorant of how it works now. Vista is a constantly defragmenting system and does not require manual defrags now as often or even at all. It also is a brand new kernel which means that the OS has been built from the ground up, this was to fix security but also performance issues and fragmentation was one of them. The kernel itself is much less susceptible to fragmentation now.
UAC? You dont like it? You again have lacked research as it is very simple to disable. Google it, you will find it is a few clicks away and can be easily disabled. It also has not been obtrusive at all for me. In fact Mac and Linux seem to be more obtrusive then the windows UAC is if you know what you are doing.
The look? You dont like the look? Great its a personal choice. IMO XP was always childish and not fit for the workplace, Vista finally looks like it means business and at the same time is very functional and eye catching (it grows on ya).
Sorry if I seem to be a windows fanboy, but I am getting sick of people wanting Vista to be EXACTLY like XP and yet be a new OS with tons of new features and security. Guess what, its not XP.5, its Vista and thus not everything will work on it and there are going to be some changes needed to your thinking. Heck 2000 --> XP was a big change as well and many hated how things were not in the same places. Also, give it some time, I am sick of everyone giving their full Vista review based on days or even just hours of use, give it a chance and learn to use it before bashing.....
I've installed it a few times and the first thought I had was: While it did take a bit of time to install, I had to do VERY little button clicks... basically just choose the drive, enter a PC name, admin account and cd key, 30 minutes later it was done.
My biggest issue as a desktop support tech is that many of the tools are renamed, moved, etc. Nothing that can't be relearned.
Personally, I don't like gadgets, widgets, window borders, and toolbar ribbons. However I can see that most of it was done to make beginning users comfortable in navigating around, links to appropriate tasks in the appropriate places. Annoying to me, helpful for noobs
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Aximbigfan's observations, while of course subjective, actually paint a fairly accurate picture of what Business Vista desktop (BVDs???) end-users' likely responses will be. They don't give a d**n about Microsoft's reasons or understand what's now going on under the hood, all they care about is getting work done. If that isn't happening for even the most trivial of reasons, that's going to cost time and money bringing them up to speed. Shoot, there have been many a year where I wish I could just say "get over it, learn it" to the supported end users. Unfortunately, Dilbertesque responses don't go over well when its the CEO or VP who wants to get some work done. However, adapting to change is a requirement for a successful business, so the users, like it or not, will have to suck it up and spend some time learning things. I do not dispute that.
Now, a laptop less than two years old as ABF's might be is under the typical 3- to 5-year business upgrade cycle, so it's not quite the same as running XP on a P100. I used to run XP Pro on a PII 450, and it ran reasonably well with a phat video card and smokin' hard drive at the time and maxxed out memory. Vista Business runs pretty well on my 2.4GHz workstation with a paltry 768MB RAM, but I don't get the nifty 3D-Flip task manager.
Why does Suse 10.1/10.2 with many of the bells and whistles that Vista now has do just fine on a 1.5GHz processor Toshiba A55 with 512MB RAM? What is Vista doing that I need so much more memory to achieve similar parity? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or pick on Microsoft, as I've loved all my versions of Windows from 3.0 on. I'm just curious from a technical standpoint. Is it primarily for eye-candy support?
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In fact Mac and Linux seem to be more obtrusive then the windows UAC is if you know what you are doing.
I would tend to disagree with that only in that unix-based OSes have had a similar permission/authentication strategem for almost 40 years. For a linux/unix user working in Vista that probably won't be such a big deal. For someone going from NT/9x/2000/XP to Vista that could be a big deal. Yes, they can turn it off, but only if the admin lets them.
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Heck it was tough for me at first.
Sure, and same here. How will someone down in accounting feel? If it's tough on us experts, it's going to be herculean for them.:throwcomp
Long and short of it from my perspective? I like Vista for the most part, have had no significant issues with it out of the box, er, MSDN, and with time I'm sure my irritations with certain things will wane and it'll be second nature. More than likely however I will wait to get a new personal system before upgrading over the course of the next year or two.
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Don't get too carried away with that... the typical luser can only manage to run a program if there is shortcut on the desktop... As long as the IT dept has appropiately managed the machine for them, they shouldn't even notice the difference beyond eye candy.
For those without IT depts, well, they didn't know how the last version worked, they will not know how this version works. and they will learn this interface just like they learned the last one.. fumbling around or asking the 13 year old son of someone in their dept.
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Don't get too carried away with that... the typical luser can only manage to run a program if there is shortcut on the desktop... As long as the IT dept has appropiately managed the machine for them, they shouldn't even notice the difference beyond eye candy.
For those without IT depts, well, they didn't know how the last version worked, they will not know how this version works. and they will learn this interface just like they learned the last one.. fumbling around or asking the 13 year old son of someone in their dept.
Fair enough, radimus. Of course the key phrase here is "appropriately managed". :)
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I think the only way I can end up using vista is that they sell me a computer specially made for working with it. And even so, basing on your review, I'll try to switch it back for XP Pro.
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When I first tried it I couldn't stand it
Now months later I would rather stay in vista but if I want to watch tv it's xp
The main thing I can't stand is the control panelI get lost every time {why all the fancy new names}
wel I did it.... I installed vista on my inspiron 6000.
intro...
I got ms vista buisness as part of the "power together" campain. I installed on my inspiron 6000 with 512mb of ram and a 1.5ghz proc.
installaion
This went pretty good at first. I tapped f12 to acces the boot menu on my box, and booted from the dvd drive. Easy enough right? the installer booted and said "please wait... loading files..." a few min. later the actual installer app was running. The first things it wanted to know was my name, product key, ect. then it moved on to the disk formtting subapp. If i had to give the disk formatting app a ratig from 1-10 i would give it a 2. the interface was at best clumbsy and there was a lack of options (no option to full format ect) it took me about a minute to figure out how to get it to delete the boot parton, create a new one and then format it to ntfs. once i did that it started installing. installign took a good 15 min. an d when it was "done" it wasnt really, after restarting there was another 5-10min wait while it "configured my desktop".
drivers
after the installtion of an os the first thign I do is install the drivers.
i went to dells site and found that there was only one driver for windows vista 32, which was sound. i downloaded and installed it and then went to the "windows xp" page where i got th rest of the drivers (chipset,ect) all of the drivers intended for win xp 32 seemed to install ok (exept for the modem driver).
use
With drivers out of the way my first instict was to restart and defragment. again, a lack of options. the disk defrager app had almost NO options. you have a schedualing option and that is it, no details, no nothing. so ightn ow i am just messing around with it. the more i see however, the more I dislike it. The interface is ugly and is clumbsy. The stock colors make me want to vomit. anoher compalant I have is that the damn thing is constantly asking if I will athurize some system prosses to do so system task. I have litteraly seen theautherize prompt at least 50 times in my 20 min. of fiddling with vista.
conclusion
I dont recommed vista at all. my reasons are
*lack of drivers
*clumbsy interface
*ugly interface
*lack of options for advanced users
chris
I have a feeling that computers will get easier and easier for stupid users as time goes on, while advanced users will get thrown to the wayside.
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The problem is no one wants to move away from XP and people are forgetting the XP launch those years ago.
The same "issues" were brought up. The same people were saying HEY, I WILL NEVER GO XP! But now look at how XP is the standard.
Eventually people will go Vista, IT departments will come to love certain features on the IT level for Vista and then everyone will be crying when the next OS comes out 5 years down the line about how it is different than Vista and how we wish it did not change this from Vista.
Also, people are gonna really be freaked I can tell when MS launches their expiramental new user interface that ditches the task/start bar idea all together...and yes that has been an in the works type thing aimed for 2k8, but will be optional so dont freak out on me :p
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Unfortunately, Dilbertesque responses don't go over well when its the CEO or VP who wants to get some work done. However, adapting to change is a requirement for a successful business, so the users, like it or not, will have to suck it up and spend some time learning things. I do not dispute that.
It's growing on me
