Originally posted by truelove PS2 fan!?! :crooked: ack!! even worse. i've got plenty of outdated electronics at home, i don't need another.
i'm a true hardcore gamer, so of course all i need is my Gamecube and my PC. and i could live without the Gamecube, but i'd miss it alot.
oh yeah, try splinter cell on a PC, then question which is the best.
when you game on a PC, no other system can impress you when it comes to power and "graphics" except a more powerful PC. consoles aren't even in the game.
Now I could say some things about gamecube. Like the fact that any man over 18 should not own one unless they already have kids. Sereously what game on gamecube is above a "g" rating. It just seems like a kids console, but more power to you if you like it. You definatly won't have a problem getting games for it considering there is only about 100 people who have a GC. J/J its cool play what you like. As for PC, I totally agree with you on which system is more powerful 100%. I used to be an avid PC gamer and no stinken consoles for me. Then after I bought my most recent PC that is built for gaming I noticed about 6 months down the road that Iwas going to have to upgrade the video card like every year or two to keep up with the advancing games. Those things are not cheap as I am sure you know. I realized that for the price of a new video card I could by an Xbox and never have to worry about upgrading anthing. I could just buy games with my money instead of buying parts for my computer just so games would run smoothly. I agree though that the graphics on a computer are better, but it is only a matter of time before Xbox overtakes PC. They only real hold up is that you can get better resolution on a computer monitor, but even that will go away soon with the new plasma HD televisions that are coming out and hopefully coming down in price. I love PC gaming, but truth be told it is more expensive to be one then it is to be an Xbox gamer, but belive me I don't think I steped down to the Xbox, because the games are pretty tight on it. Soon the game developers will realize that making games for the PC are just not profitable enough to continue and they will all convert to some console. Love PCs though but Xbox more.
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Originally posted by Benjamin_Bryant Now I could say some things about gamecube. Like the fact that any man over 18 should not own one unless they already have kids. Sereously what game on gamecube is above a "g" rating. It just seems like a kids console, but more power to you if you like it. You definatly won't have a problem getting games for it considering there is only about 100 people who have a GC. J/J its cool play what you like. As for PC, I totally agree with you on which system is more powerful 100%. I used to be an avid PC gamer and no stinken consoles for me. Then after I bought my most recent PC that is built for gaming I noticed about 6 months down the road that Iwas going to have to upgrade the video card like every year or two to keep up with the advancing games. Those things are not cheap as I am sure you know. I realized that for the price of a new video card I could by an Xbox and never have to worry about upgrading anthing. I could just buy games with my money instead of buying parts for my computer just so games would run smoothly. I agree though that the graphics on a computer are better, but it is only a matter of time before Xbox overtakes PC. They only real hold up is that you can get better resolution on a computer monitor, but even that will go away soon with the new plasma HD televisions that are coming out and hopefully coming down in price. I love PC gaming, but truth be told it is more expensive to be one then it is to be an Xbox gamer, but belive me I don't think I steped down to the Xbox, because the games are pretty tight on it. Soon the game developers will realize that making games for the PC are just not profitable enough to continue and they will all convert to some console. Love PCs though but Xbox more.
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you can rip on the gamecube all you like because i'll pretty much agree with you. they have a kiddy image and they've made some bad decisions in the last decade. but i still think Nintendo makes the best games on the planet.
anyway, the only reason i own a Gamecube is for the proprietary games. like zelda, mario, metroid, f-zero, mario-kart, etc. etc. i just can't live without these incredible proprietary games. no way in hell i would buy a game like splinter cell on the Gamecube or something like that. that's what my PC is for.
and for other incredible games that are multi-system, that's what i have a PC for. and for mature games, that's what i have a PC for. i would buy an x-box, i really would. but i simply can't afford to support multi-systems (or i don't want to). and besides, really really good PC games are coming out all the time so i don't even need a console right now.
for those out there that see the Gamecube as being kiddy and refuse to buy one for that reason alone, i feel sorry for you. you're missing out on some great games. Nintendo makes the best games (i'm talking about games developed by N themselves) in the industry and that is still true today as it was in the SNES days.
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Originally posted by Benjamin_Bryant ...but it is only a matter of time before Xbox overtakes PC...
i'm sorry but i just have to laugh at that statement. no "console" by it's current definition (non-upgradeable proprietary system) will EVER overtake a PC. consoles are pretty much outdated by the time they reach market and they're quickly overtaken by continuing technology. the only way "consoles" will ever overtake a PC is if it becomes one.
i do agree with you that it's expensive to keep upgrading a PC. however, i upgrade about once a year and it doesn't hurt me financially one bit. if you can't afford it, i guess you'll have to resort to consoles, that's just the way the game is played. i for one truly believe only the BEST games exsist for PC. of course, that's only my opinion.
unfortunately, PCs are meant to do more than just run games so that makes them expensive. if they were designed only to run games and were non-upgradeable, yeah they'd be damn cheap. but then they'd be a console wouldn't they.
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Originally posted by truelove
[B] i'm sorry but i just have to laugh at that statement. no "console" by it's current definition (non-upgradeable proprietary system) will EVER overtake a PC. consoles are pretty much outdated by the time they reach market and they're quickly overtaken by continuing technology. the only way "consoles" will ever overtake a PC is if it becomes one.
Well, the current Xbox might as well be called a computer. It is pretty much the same minus some power and apps.
i do agree with you that it's expensive to keep upgrading a PC. however, i upgrade about once a year and it doesn't hurt me financially one bit. if you can't afford it, i guess you'll have to resort to consoles, that's just the way the game is played. i for one truly believe only the BEST games exsist for PC. of course, that's only my opinion.
I agree with you that if you can't afford it you have to resort to consoles, and this only proves my point more. There are a whole lot more people out there willing to pay for a console so thier kids can play game then buying a PC. This is why its only a matter of time.
unfortunately, PCs are meant to do more than just run games so that makes them expensive. if they were designed only to run games and were non-upgradeable, yeah they'd be damn cheap. but then they'd be a console wouldn't they.
This right here is my whole point, we are talking about playing games not running excel or word. People who are out to play games only will and should always choose a console due to the fact that they are a fraction of the cost of a "good" gaming system. Computers do cost more because of thier expandibility and numorous things that you can do, but we are talking about games here and which system is better for playing them. And like I said before its only a matter of time before Xbox and others overtake the only thing that PC can do better which is resolution. Xbox has Dolbly Digital surround sound available on most games, and that is somthing that most PC games if any offer. After playing games in true surround sound I wouldent be able to say that PC games are better. The only thing and it really is only one thing that PC has up on console games. The fact that they can be played on a monitor at 1600x1200 resolution. Once the HD plasma screens come down in price there will be to many benifits of consoles that the PC game will slowly die away. The benifits are to overpowering. Xbox=Low price, dolby digital AC3 technology surround sound, Bigger playing screen on a 42" HD screen, and the comfort of sitting on your couch or bed. Here is a rundown.
Xbox VS PC
$179 ///$2 to 3000 (based on Alienware PCs)
(built for games)
Couch or bed ///Chair behind computer desk.
Dolby Digital Sound ///Not supported by many if at all.
42" plus screen (HD) ///25"think biggest monitor you can buy.
No worry of upgrade ///Need of upgrade to keep playing.
Also I know you said that upgrading dosent brake your bank, but don't you think its funny that for the price of a good video card you could have bought a whole system that was built for playing games and not surfing the internet. Please don't get me wrong Iloved PC games, but you have the top computer company now makeing consoles, and these consoles are only one step away from being all around better then computers. Resolution is the key to good graphics. HD tvs will soon be in everyones home. Thats like having and huge computer monitor to watch tv and play games.
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Ok, back to the original subject.
It depends on how many games you want and if you want something to take with you. For the price of one X-box game you could buy a few games for the Axim. But if you want an in-depth game that will last months, then you should probably go with a game for the X-Box.
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Originally posted by Benjamin_Bryant [COLOR=blue]...People who are out to play games only will and should always choose a console due to the fact that they are a fraction of the cost of a "good" gaming system...
unless of course, you believe that PC games are the best available in general. which is true to me. again, just my opinion. if i thought console games were equal to or better than PC games, i would only play console games.
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...And like I said before its only a matter of time before Xbox and others overtake the only thing that PC can do better which is resolution...
if you truly think that this is the only thing a PC can do better in terms of games, you may wanna do some more research on the continuing technology of video cards and sound cards these days. if a high level engineer from nVidia or ATI heard you say that, they may not like it. you're basically saying that the work they've been doing for the past 2 years has been useless since you apparently think that the x-box equals all the technology they've been developing and in current development.
and again, the newest x-box may overtake everything currently in the PC world when it comes out. but that will only last for a matter of months as by definition a console is non-upgradeable and is therefore impossible to keep up with current technology. if it's able to keep up, it needs to be called something else and the line between consoles and PCs will be blurred, but that has yet to be seen.
if you enjoy console games more, more power to ya. but the capabilities of a console can never match that of a PC. it's a fact. it's technology. technology moves fast, consoles are stagnant machines.
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Ok, if this thread is going to continue in this vein, it will need to be moved to the Water Fountain. Do you guys want me to go ahead and move it so you can argue to your hearts content? ;) :D
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Originally posted by lsout Console warz dont you just love em! :D
Go for an xbox game instead of ppc,
you will probibly get more hours out of them .
console warz are completely different than a war between a console and a PC when you're talking technology. it's a fact that PCs rule in terms of technology otherwise those at ATI, nVidia, Intel, AMD, etc. would all be out of jobs since you'd basically be trying to argue that what they do is worthless and they're making no headway in what they do. there is no war involved, technology advances and PCs have the capability to keep up with it. consoles don't.
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Originally posted by Raynne413 Ok, if this thread is going to continue in this vein, it will need to be moved to the Water Fountain. Do you guys want me to go ahead and move it so you can argue to your hearts content? ;) :D
no no, i'm done. promise. it's almost time to leave work anyway for the july 4th weekend. and i don't type on here at home. sorry. :D
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Your right that consoles are stagnant machines, but they thing about video cards I don't understand. The lighting and everything is exactly the same on PC and Xbox. The only differnce is on the PC the pixels on the game are smaller therefore makeing the game look crisper and better in graphics. What graphics card do you think is in the Xbox. Quote from xbox.com "An NVIDIA graphics processing unit (GPU), delivering more than three times the graphics performance of other consoles". So I am in no way downplaying what they have done. They are the fact that Xbox has awsome graphics and I am glad they work so hard. As for a sound card I really don't see what the point is here. I know that you need a good sound card and all, but whats the point if your only playing a game in pro-logic surround? You are very right when you say that the Xbox is only the best for a couple of months, but the same is said about PC. The only thing is that PC forces you to pay money to upgrade your machine or you won't be able to play the new games without haveing lag in it. Xbox is probaly going to come out with a new machine every two or three years, and the game developers are forced to make games that are fast and playable on the current machine. So xbox gamers are not forced to spend money. They can be happy in the fact that they will be able to buy any game for the system without having to look at the side of the box to see if thier machine is within the recommended system specs.
I don't mean to irritate you with our conversation. Just a friendly debate. I respect trueloves dedication to his system of choice. I just disagree. I wouldent want to convert from PC to xbox either if I had invested the money he probaly has.
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Originally posted by Benjamin_Bryant ...What graphics card do you think is in the Xbox......
i believe it's a hybrid GeForce 3 which i believe is out of date and has been for a while.
you may argue about games, you may argue about price, you may aruge about personal preference. but you just can't argue in terms of technology and technological capabilities, because a PC is able to keep up with current technology (money aside) and a console isn't. it's a fact. i know you understand that.
let's think about this for a second. let's say microsoft came out with an x-box that had an ATI Radeon 9800 pro, a Pentium 4 3.06 Ghz, a soundblaster audigy 2 and 1 gig of available RAM. would you buy it, hell yes you would and it would be the best console available in terms of technology (again, money aside).
now what determines wether or not this system is a PC or a console are these things: it's ability or inability to be completely modular, it's ability or inability to run any operating system, it's ability or inability to adapt to basically any function you wanna use it for (this is where the high price of PCs comes into play), and more stuff i can't even think of right now.
a console is un-able to do all this stuff, a PC is able.
there's a reason a new ATI radeon 9800 pro costs more than an x-box. it's called bleeding edge technology. i believe you can buy all the parts that make up an x-box for pretty dang cheep these days. it's video card would run you less than $100. and it's processor would be around $50.
the only reason the x-box is able to look so good in it's old age (in technology time) is because all it's hardware and software (OS and games) are completely 100% proprietary. this isn't true with PC, hence they cost more but are able to do so much more also.
and again, you may say "if i'm a harecore gamer why would i need a PC for all this stuff, why not just get a console?" and i would say because i believe PC games are the best available and i like the ability to be able to adapt to current technology.
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ack!! even worse. i've got plenty of outdated electronics at home, i don't need another.
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