Sure am glad I didn't get involved in this iPhone craziness. Little glitches and "gotchas" popping out all over the place. Last night I read of problems with the unit overheating on occasion. Today everybody just learned about the pain associated with replacing the battery.
You would think a company as "leading edge" as Apple is would have thought of another way to do this. Can anyone spell "user-installable battery?". I wouldn't even touch a PDA type device that required me to take it into service to replace a battery, let alone pay $600 for it. That's nuts.
But still - anyone who bought an iPhone NOT knowing that the battery was not user replaceable has more money than sense.
There is a trade off for a user replaceable battery. The extra space for the door mechanism etc. results in a larger and less "clean" device.
I don't replace the battery in my Treo, despite having the option. I also somehow manage to live with only one battery for my iPod. Heck, I even only have one battery for my laptop.
Storm in a tea cup really.
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Agreed - most of the time one battery is enough, however not BEING ABLE to replace it would be a big issue for me - at least if I were spending that kind of moolah on a device. One battery usually does it for a day with my Ax - but I carry 2 spares. The time or two I've used the machine enough to drain it before I got back to the charging cradle - it was sure nice to just pop another one in there and continue. Try that with the iPhone and you are SOL until you get home.
It also limits the potential for extended batteries. I quickly bought one for my Pearl and it's so easy to swap. Have there been any battery life issues, ala the BlackjacK?
That is crazy. I DON'T like not having 3rd party applications, DON'T like my fingers all over my screen, WANT to use a stylus if I choose, etc, etc, etc.
I only carry one battery for each device too (plus a charger and car charger :) ) But not having a user replaceable battery just stinks. They say it takes 3 days to ship it to have it replaced.. but in my experience anything that says it only takes 3 days could take anywhere up to 7-10 days! especially if they use someone like DHL.. that would not be fun to be without a phone for that long.
I've read opinions on both sides of the battery issue - some think that it's no big thing that you have to send it in to have it replaced. I guess it depends on your viewpoint. If you're planning to use the iPhone as a "throwaway" phone that you're going to replace in 2 years like you do with regular cell phones then maybe it's not that big a deal. Maybe the kind of use that the iPhone is intended for is not as battery intensive as a PPC - it certainly is limited in comparison to a PPC - so maybe it's OK.
As far as I'm concerned a PPC needs a hot-swappable battery because sometimes you just use it a lot. I'm also not just keeping this guy (the X50) with replacement in mind - it's not tied to any kind of contract. It has been in use for 2-and-a-half years now and is in extremely good shape; I use it ALL the time. Unless something physically breaks on it I just don't forsee replacing it any time soon. Therefore, replaceable parts [batteries] are the best way, IMHO, to keep it running. The technology on the PPC's doesn't appear to be changing significantly - the processors still run about the same rate, etc. WM6 might be a different front-end but to say that I need to trade away a device that has served me close to 3 years just to change the front-end is ridiculous.
Time will tell if Apple's wisdom on this was right or not. Either way I don't care - an iPhone is a crippled PPC in my view - an EXPENSIVE crippled PPC.
But still - anyone who bought an iPhone NOT knowing that the battery was not user replaceable has more money than sense.
There is a trade off for a user replaceable battery. The extra space for the door mechanism etc. results in a larger and less "clean" device.
I don't replace the battery in my Treo, despite having the option. I also somehow manage to live with only one battery for my iPod. Heck, I even only have one battery for my laptop.
Storm in a tea cup really.
BULL!
the extra space for a door is only like 2mm.
guys, this is a classic apple product, useless, expensive and horrible quality.
iphones worthless toys for tweens. a ppc ia _real_ mobile device.
So you say it's "bull" and then you agree with me in the same post. I said that having the extra mechanism adds bulk and you call BS and then admit it does.
So are you saying that it does or does not add extra bulk?
Where does the 2mm space requirement come from? For starters this is a 3 dimensional device, yet you provide a 1 dimensional measurement.
The fact is that you have no credibility in providing any sort of objective statement on a product like this. You've clearly never used this or any Apple product in any real sense, you admit that you'd never buy one for the simple reason that it's made by Apple, and you seem to misunderstand the market.
So you saying that "this is a classic apple product, useless, expensive and horrible quality." is about as worthwhile as my cat giving me a review on Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" right?
I'm trying to infer that you're an idiot, I think you are actually quite smart. I just think you have absolutely no credible basis to make a statement like that or any Apple product for a whole suite of reasons.
It's an indisputable fact that for someone that doesn't need a replaceable battery, the lack of replaceable battery is not an issue.
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• Songs as Ringtones
• Games
• Any flash support
• Instant Messaging
• Picture messages (MMS)
• Video recording
• Voice recognition or voice dialing
• Wireless Bluetooth Stereo Streaming (A2DP)
• One-size-fits-all headset jack (May have to buy an adapter for certain headphones)
Stuff we already knew it didn't have
• 3G (EV-DO/HSDPA)
• GPS
• A real keyboard
• Removable battery
• Expandable Storage
• Direct iTunes Music Store Access (Over Wi-Fi or EDGE)
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1. Bluetooth is ONLY good for connecting a headset. That's it.
2. There is no file browser on the device at all. Data must be organized (if at all) in the appropriate application.
3. The camera is a simple application that has ONE button: the shutter. Pictures come out okay on the device, but nothing too fancy on a monitor, especially if it was an attempt at a macro shot.
4. SIM card is damn near impossible to open, if at all. I didn't look into it extensively.
5. Web browser is slow, even over WLAN. Even the simple OneList web app that was created takes around 20 seconds to load over WLAN. You can not highlight, cut, copy, or paste and text from a website, and you can not save any images you find from a website either. The only nice thing about it is the tabbed browsing, which crashed on me when I went to Engadget and YouTube on two tabs. This is the only application that allows you to use the keyboard in landscape mode.
6. The keyboard sucks. It gets slightly better after the iPhone "learns" you, as the employees said, but even then, it's not a device you can use with one hand comfortably, much less without looking.
7. You can only send one picture at a time in an email.
8. No custom ringtones (yet, as we were being told) and the alert tones can not be changed whatsoever.
9. The default ringtones are incredibly lame.
10. The only form of customization outside of a lame default ringtone is the wallpaper, which you'll only see when you need to unlock the device or when you get a phone call.
11. "Picture pinching" or using two fingers to zoom on any content is certainly fun to play with, but not practical whatsoever. This operation depends solely on using the device with two hands.
12. No document editor or native viewer. You can not store documents on the device to be viewed, they can only be viewed as attachments when they're sent to your in an email.
13. Visual voicemail is laggy and reacts about the same way as pushing the fast forward and rewind buttons on traditional voicemail systems. The only advantage is for those that get that many voicemail messages a day that they need to sort them according to priority.
14. NO games. None.
15. No voice dialing.
16. No speed dialing (which can be made up by the "quick list", but getting to that quick list isn't as fast as holding a single key on a real keypad).
17. No video.
18. No MMS.
Anyone see Joe Nocera's article in the NYTimes about the runaround he got when he tried to ask about replacing the battery? It's Times Select, unfortunately, but hilarious.
People where I live are lining up to take back their iPhones -- only to find out they're still stuck with the 2 year contract. Ouch! And heehee.
Anyone see Joe Nocera's article in the NYTimes about the runaround he got when he tried to ask about replacing the battery? It's Times Select, unfortunately, but hilarious.
People where I live are lining up to take back their iPhones -- only to find out they're still stuck with the 2 year contract. Ouch! And heehee.
No kidding - they're taking them back already? Ouch.
@ schrags11 you only have 18 points? lol theres more about the iphone's shortcommings than you know
@Johnnymetal 3G is almost out of date already, its would actaully be stupid to put 3G in the iphone even at launch, most devices NOW are supporting 3.5G or 3.75G
this is how OUT of date the iphone is
what phone has hsupa? HTC Kaiser, Australia probably by the end of this year will have their HSUPA network up and running. even canada will have HSDPA fully rolled out by the end of aug or early sept.
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1. Bang for the Buck (the iPhone is $500-$600 + 2yr contract, but has so many missing things)
2. Missing high security password (I can use either simple or adv on my X01HT, that’s letters AND numbers)
3. Owner information? (if you tell the phone to auto lock and you lose it, how is the person that picks it up going to know who you are to return it to you)
4. Voice Dialing (with or without pre-recorded voice clips)
5. Voice Digit Dialing (ties in with voice dialing)
6. Crippled 3rd party support (websites are not an application, web dialer isn’t that great)
7. No MMS (remembering 50+ carrier email domain extensions does not count as a work around)
8. No built in instant messaging or 3rd party support (not even iChat?)
9. 3G, 3.5G, 3.75G (the iPhone is missing all of them)
10. Crippled video support, (only plays h.264 which NO OTHER PHONE CAN RECORD. The standard is 3gp but isn’t supported, neither are iTunes shows lol)
11. Lack of Removable battery (this means you cannot have a double capacity battery, something you have with almost EVERY PDA and PDA Phone out there, a double cap battery for a samsung blackjack is $20)
12. Self serviceable battery (Out-of-warranty battery replacement: $79 + $6.95 shipping? )
13. Difficult one handed use because of the lack of tactile feel
14. Lack of Hardware buttons (minimalist designs usually sacrifice functionality for looks)
15. Lack of plan choice - Mandatory Data fees, Mandatory Voice fees
16. Choice of carrier (looks like the iPhone is REALLY locked to ATT, it maybe highly difficult to unlock at this point in time)
17. Crippled camera (not even templates or shutter modes?)
18. Lack of Themes (if the iPhone is all about looks, why cant you theme anything on it?)
19. Same iPod restrictions apply (iTunes is forced, AAC is forced, not my cup of tea)
20. Lack of UMS capability (Steve jobs said in his announcement video that it’s the best iPod they have ever made, ok it may look the best but even the lowest and cheapest iPod’s are capable of UMS)
21. Streaming Radio/Audio (general lack of support)
22. Cannot use a screen protector since it uses capacitive touch (your skin must touch the glass, salty Q-tips don’t count as an alternative)
23. No Games? (come on, $600? No games? That’s just mean)
24. Expandable memory slot
25. Cannot edit documents or create them
26. no LED Flash or LED Flash light, (most phones with *ok* cameras have a flash, can be used as a flashlight as well)
27. ultra crippled Bluetooth stack (only HSP? LoL even crippled VZW phones have DUN!)
28. Lack of A2DP (this goes with the crippled Bluetooth statement, however, not very many people know what Bluetooth really is, but many people want wireless headphones as well as wireless everything, reminds me of the people that think routers are plug and play, no security, still apple apparently markets the device as an iPod as well, well A2DP and playing Music go hand in hand)
29. GPS Support? (not from the carrier, and not from a Bluetooth GPS, defiantly not internal, just no support at all)
30. choose my own ring tones ($600 no customizable ring tones? Cant even buy them?)
31. Bloated OS (the OS alone is over 200MB+ on your FORMATTED 4-GB partition WM phones only take around 60+ MB for the OS yet WM have more functionality?)
32. Apparently you cant change the background of the home screen ($600 and you cant change the background image?)
33. Compatibility with headphones, apparently there is a small plastic lip that prevents your regular style 3.5mm jack from connecting (the connector is recessed forcing you to pay an additional $25-$40 for an adapter when you already paid $xxx for your high quality headphones or earbuds)
34. Higher Resolution Videos (cannot even SYNC any video over 480p)
35. Business Accounts (apparently if you have a family plan or business account already, you will be prevented from activating your phone, but the good news is you paid $600)
36. Legacy Support (you have to BUY 10.4.10 OSX if you have 10.3.9 or earlier, and that’s over $100USD, what PHONE makes you buy a new OS? That is totally unreasonable)
37. Cannot tether phone (cant use it through Bluetooth nor can you use the USB cable to get internet connectivity on a laptop)
38. No Java applet support (this alone threw out like 70% of the after market support)
39. Lack of File Browser
40. Inability to attach files to mail? (this relates to the file browser bit)
41. bad internal integration of applications (above I mentioned you cant attach files, not even multiple photos, you have to open your photos to send them in an email but only one at a time?)
42. Cant Copy and Paste (if you think you can live without this, then stop using it on your desktop)
43. weird resolution (the screen is a “higher” resolution than a lot of flip phones and such, however its not a standard resolution, 480x320 isn’t not even wide screen as Steve jobs advertised it to be, 3:2 isn’t recognized as any standard aspect ratio)
44. lack of alert customization/Profiles(apparently you cannot set vibrate to things like calendar events, SMS, etc I would expect the alerts to be at least customizable in a $600 phone)
45. Keyboard issues (you cannot change the keyboard into landscape mode in anything but Safari)
46. Search? (where the hell is the search?)
47. Multitasking (the iPhone cannot multitask like WM phones, safari cannot load pages in the background while you do something else, you cannot type a bunch of emails and tell them all to send while you do something else, this goes for downloading emails as well)
48. Cant charge phone while powered off (is this a flaw? )
49. Push email? (this is self explanatory)
50. Enterprise functionality? (again self explanatory)
51. Apparently some issues with call volume?
52. Safari (doesn’t work too well, known problems, known exploits/bugs/holes, no choice because of nonexistent 3rd party support)
53. cant save anything from any application to the 4-8 flash storage (not from web pages or emails)
54. no iSight no video chats or calls
55. “breakthrough Internet communications device” (really? How is it break through? If it had 3.5G + video call camera I would be ok with this bold statement even though 400+ other phones have 3G + video call camera including the RAZR v3x, but it doesn’t, WiFi isn’t breakthrough in anyway shape or form for a 2007 phone, neither is full HTML email, the Bluetooth, well it cant even do Bluetooth networking so I wont go there)
56. To Do or the Checklist application
57. Flash? (ties in with Safari browser short comings)
58. you cannot play wav files from email (most work phone networks use VOIP, they save emails as standard wav files and email them to you, while being able to recieve the voice mail on the iphone you cannot play them. whats funny is apple's ipod implementation on the iphone plays wav just fine, however there is NO LINK between the iphone email system and the ipod, i find that hilarious)
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