I watched it even though I was convinced he's doing the right thing a long time ago. In fact I thought this should have been done in 1991...if it would have we wouldn't be going through this right now. Anyway, I beleive everything he said about Mr. Hussein, terrorism, etc. is true. The US's intelligence capabilities are the tops in the world, and if he says Mr. Hussein is and has been developing weapons of mass destruction and/or chemical and biological weapons, then it is the duty of the President to protect the citizens of his country.
I could go on long enough to bore the heck out of everyone, but I won't. I just think that the man we have as our President right now is a very good person, and he has our best interests in mind.
I think the man is doing what he was elected to do. As he said last night, he took an oath to defend the United States. If, as intelligence suggests, he perceives Iraq as a threat to U.S. citizens' safety I feel he is totally justified in taking pre-emptive measures to counter that threat. If he does not act and Iraq is found to be responsible for any future acts of terrorism against our nation, his feet will be held against the fire by congress (and, not to mention the media) as to why he took no action. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, as some might say....
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Everyone keeps saying we are going to war over oil when the fact is the Axis of Weasels are trying to avoid war because of oil. Russia, Germany and France are all going to have egg on thier faces when we start yanking out some nasty stuff out of the desert.
Russia will loose Billions and so may France. I think in all three cases we will finding some paperwork showing how these three countries sold things illeagally to Sadam after the Gulf War.
Even the Arab states think he is nuts. If Kadafy says that Sadam is insane do you realize just how nuts Sadam must be.
He needs to go before he get the Nuke and I think they will find he was closer than most think.
I am not an american citizen, yet I wanted to take a minute to comment on this matter. I saw the speech last nite and have been following the whole situation for a while. I believe the President is RIGHT about the threat that the current regime in IRAQ poses to the world and to the US in general. I think that as far as the war on terror goes, IRAQ is a major factor and he has the right to continue to pursue the safety of the American People. I also feel that in the long run it will make the whole world safer.
I see everyday the growing anti-american feeling and the trend towards "pacifism" even inside the US. However I agree that he NEEDS to do what he FEELs is right and take care of his people, even if some of his own people do not feel it is the right course of action.
I think that many of the countries that are against the war on IRAQ have their own selfish motives to it, and the President should not depend on them to do what is in the best interest of his country, as they are doing what they perceive is in the best interest of theirs.
And even though this is becoming a very long message I wanted to stress to points. The first one is that this war is going to be much more expensive than the first. I don't think that Sadamm was prepared for the war the first time. I believe he knows too well what is going to happen this time and he is going to make it very painful for the Americans. This is going to make many people feel the war was a mistake, and perhaps loose faith in the President, but on the other hand, in MY mind it will only show that he is actually correct, and will show him as a monster (sadam that is).
The other point is that this matter needs to be resolved ASAP. It is hurting both the US economy and the world's, and that in turn is hurting every individual. Maybe that sounds selfish, but the fact is that the more is talked about, the more fear is spread around the world and it is not helping matters any. I don't feel that either France, Germany or Russia will ever be swayed to understand what is going on, so just move on and take care of business.
I agree, Mr. Bush is protecting the interest of the country I love and served for 9 years.
As a note, please be objective and don't let this thread turn into any sort of bashing of countries. Similiar threads have gotten ugly in the past.
Thanks and keep it real....
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Everyone is accusing the US as acting in a self-serving manner and unconcerned with the affairs of the world. The critics want some sort of approval from the United Nations before war is declared. If you want to discuss a body of self-serving weasels, then the United Nations is it.
The European "Allies" oppose a unilateral strike, of course they're doing all they can to ensure there is no coalition.
The odd thing of all this is that people seem to be forgetting the history of Mr. Saddam- he has invaded his neighbours twice- he has used weapons of mass destruction on his own people and he has launched attacks against neutral countries. Yet people are travelling to act as human shields for this lunatic.
Should there be war? The question that needs to be ask, is there proof that Saddam or his regime are harbouring or aiding and abetting terrorist organizations? If the proof comes then bomb away. If he has the capability and is acting to use his weapons of mass destruction, then war is required.
If he has failed to live up to any of the conditions of the cease-fire that were applied to him following the Gulf War, then the cease-fire should end and action should be brought to bring about a change of regime.
One nation watching this all closely is North Korea, if they perceive US as failing to act then we will see further instability in the world, only this one has nuclear weapons and a starving populace with nothing to lose. Now that is a nightmare scenario.
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First, Bush was not elected, he was appointed by five justices of the supreme court, hardly an arguement for democracy.
Second, the US should not attack countries unprovoked. The relation between Al Queda and Iraq is tenuous at best.
Third, Iraq is a third rate power, hardly able to attack the US. No one is discussing the thousands who are likely to die simply in an effort to rid the world of Hussein. If we go into the middle east, we should be focussing on the Israeli Palestenian conflict. Resolution of that problem would go far in reducing tensions.
Fourth, this war is essentially about remaking a society in the image of the US. Troops will have to remain for years. Where will this end? Do we invade every country that disagrees with us? Is Iran next? NOrth Korea? The arrogance of the US leadership is mind boggling, the notion that the US will do what it wants, the rest of the world be damned.
Fifth, no one is addressing the costs. Projections place the cost of the war at 100b, the cost of recontstructing Iraq at 1 trillion. The impact on the US economy will be devastating. The balance of payments will worsen, the dollar is likely to continue its slide, importnat needs in the US will go unmet (states are in dire need of help for example), and social security is likely to be cut in the future to help finance AMerica's effort to reshape the world to make it safe not for democracy, but for business.
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Your on the money...
Unfortunately, if you count up the replies...
Bush represents the people, elected or not.
Americans live with a bag over their heads.
The press gives them their daily dose of US propaganda.
If you took a sampling of the respondants and asked...
How many foreign news reports or editorials do they read
....
But this has always been a nation with a bag/overhead
When you consider the nature of self-deception
Well you deceive yourself... and believe you live in integrity.
Until someone ripps open the bag and you see all the bodies.
Then you want a president to blame for deceiving you.
It's the USA story..
What do you all think of Bowling for Columbine?
AximSiteAdmin is right, let's keep this nice and flame-free. We're all adults here, we can have a nice discussion.
Anyway, as far as the monetary costs of the war (and it's aftermath) goes, you're correct, it will be a very large amount. But what is the cost if we don't do anything about this man and he uses his biological/chemical weapons on his neighbors in the Middle East. If he does that, the innocent human lives lost cannot possibly be summed up in dollars.
And about this war being about remaking a society in the image of the US. Well, I guess that's one way to look at it...if you mean that the country will have a democratic government in which the people actually have a say in who's elected and the laws that are made, then yes. Freedom is every person's right in this world, and with Mr. Hussein in control of Iraq, it's citizens aren't able to enjoy that. Once Mr. Hussein is no longer in control of Iraq, it's citizens will be very happy about their new found freedoms. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the citizens of Afghanistan enjoy the freedom they now have.
Nothing ruins use group / support gtoup faster than off topic BS. Your all entitled to your opiones but I come to this site to talk about AXIM and to get support and support others. I am sure I will get flamed but that is how I feel.
Sorry I didn't mean for this to turn into a political rant. I was just kind of looking for an overview of what he said. I guess I worded it the wrong way.
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Originally posted by wmrawls Nothing ruins use group / support gtoup faster than off topic BS. Your all entitled to your opiones but I come to this site to talk about AXIM and to get support and support others. I am sure I will get flamed but that is how I feel.
How is this topic off topic?
Last I checked it was in the Water Fountain. And under the Water Fountian it says General Chit/Chat
How does this ruin the support group. I think it shows that we are adults with minds that know how to think, discuss and debate.
The support is not gone from these Forums, they are found in the appropiate threads and discussions. And with a Title like - "President's Speech Last Night?" if you are not interested you can skip over it, just like the one about Ex-smokers, or Congratulations you had a baby, or other Water Fountain posts.
So let's continue the discussion, keeping it cival and discuss things like adults. If someone has a problem with their Axim, hop over to the Software or Hardware or Multimedia, etc areas of the forum.
As for myself, I just caught the tail end of the questions and did not get to hear them to well since my 3 month old was screaming his head off since he has a cold and is in the colic stage.
But overall I agree with our President and wait to see what will happen. I have a few friends in the reserves that were called up and I pray for them and the rest of our military each day.
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opulyst, here is a link to the text of the news conference. Last night I thought I saw a link to a video of the conference on FoxNews.com, but I can't seem to find it now. Anyway, the President didn't really give any new information, he basically reiterated the evidence he's already given us in the past. I think his agenda was twofold: 1) to try to convey, one last time, to the people who don't agree that war is the answer, that in this case, war may very well be the answer. 2) to prepare the public that unless something MAJOR happens in the coming days, war is imminent.
Living in a city where 1/4 th the population is from the middle east, the majority of the middle easterners do not want to see a war, however, the majority of the Iraqi people would love to see Sag'damn go bye bye. The people in that country are merely puppets on a string. THey belive what they see, hear and read (of course it is government control). Like one other poster stated,"...this should have been taken care of in 91'). Having been a person who served in the USMC for 4 years I might be a little bias. Sag'damn must go now!!!!
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