Are Moderators involved in Scams? Voice your opinion!!
After visiting many websites and forums it has been my experience that there are people in the forums who under the disguise of "general users" promote/discourage a particular product. The worse part of it is when the moderators get involve with this kind of scam by selectively deleting/moving posts to unpopular(less viewer) sites under the pretext of so-called "non-conformity" with the popular threads. At the same time they continue to keep other nonconforming posts/threads.
Here is an example of a user opinion on this matter:
Originally Posted by Gassius
Also, some administrators try to clean post against some particular companies but leave alone others. Is sad, but it is the way it works.
But I will leave to you to keep or change that status.
Originally Posted by Gassius
I dont know if you work for anyone, but IT IS OBVIOUS FOR ME (and this is an opinion) that a lot of companies have "users" doing publicity and nice comments for their products in this and other forums (which again I find is not a decent way to do business), and is obvious that once a lot of users get angry, some other come just to say nice things. The difference is the interest behind this. The former ones try to warn the comunity and the other ones try to make more profit.
Also, some administrators try to clean post against some particular companies but leave alone others. Is sad, but it is the way it works.
To the Moderators:
I know that this thread may not conform with this forum. But I've decided to post it here because this is the most viewd forum and I think it would be fair to post it to a forum with maximum viewers. So please don't delete or move it!
To the general forum members:
I think it's good to voice your opinion on this matter. It's really unfair to be duped by scam.
BTW I might not be allowed to this website after this post!?
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I guess I don't see it as a problem, as do you. If I had a business, I would want to be right in the middle of forums like this. It's the new way to do business. Even if you do not know they are a part of the sales force behind a certain product, they are only offering their opinion, as does everyone else. And we are allowed our opinion, just the same. That is why the software companies do us a favor and allow us to download a demo, so that we may form an opinion before we buy. I just don't feel there is a problem with any of this here. There have been some who have identified themselves with a company and they are very helpful to viewers. You still have a right to buy and use what you want.
I guess I don't see it as a problem, as do you. If I had a business, I would want to be right in the middle of forums like this. It's the new way to do business. Even if you do not know they are a part of the sales force behind a certain product, they are only offering their opinion, as does everyone else. And we are allowed our opinion, just the same. That is why the software companies do us a favor and allow us to download a demo, so that we may form an opinion before we buy. I just don't feel there is a problem with any of this here. There have been some who have identified themselves with a company and they are very helpful to viewers. You still have a right to buy and use what you want.
Well I agree with those when they identify themselves as representative of a company or product (disclosure of Conflict of Interest). There is nothing wrong with it.
But I'm talking about situations when people do that under the disguise of a general member. In no way this is right
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"Imagination is our only limitation"
Axim X51v
ROM A12
AS 4.5
SanDisk SD Ultra II 2GB
SanDisk CF 4GB
SanDisk SD Extreme III 1GB
Dell 2200 Battery
ClearTouch Crystal from Boxwave
Dell Bluetooth GPS
As the site owner,
-who works a full time job that is not remotely related to the subject of this site...
-who goes to college full time at night (at age 33)...
-who has a wife and 2 kids...
I can not understand the comments of this thread... In fact, I find it somewhat laughable that anyone would (if I understand the point right) accuse me or any of my staff of such goobly gook.
No, you will not be "banned" for creating the thread... In fact I welcome you to post more on the subject. Please post some details on how you would come to such view.
PS. Each moderator on this site were hand selected by me. Most of them were picked within the 1st month of this sites exsistance.
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I also agree - I think posting comments as a user in order to sell your product or your company product is a scam. I am also tired of people moving posts. A post is a post - I C the usefulness of putting it in the proper forum, and so does everyone else. But - if someone chooses to put something somewhere for whatever reason it should be left alone.
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Just an FYI - Since I did not see Chris's post prior to writing mine. My comments are geared toward people that sign up and make comments on products and may be owners or employees of the company that has that product. The positive comments are geared toward getting people to buy the product and to me that is wrong. I am not saying that this is happening - I am just saying that I think that if it is it is wrong. I am still tired of people moving stuff around though.
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Oh well the forums went almost an entire week without requiring tinfoil hats.
BTW here is another conspiracy for you....the entire purpose of Aximsite is actually to promote and provide a community for Dell products...In fact some of the users here have been known to try and persuade others into the fold...its a cult!
GASP! THE HORROR!!!
You find it shocking that people that represent companies that create products for the Axim would actually frequent a website dedicated to the device? If I created a product and truly belived it you can bet I would promote it as a solution were it was waranted. As for the moderators their job is to keep posts on topic relative to the forum's subject...normally rants and raves alike that have nothing to do with the physical device itself are moved to their appropriate place, it isnt censorship its reponsible forum keeping.
There have been many threads that had it been my forum I would have locked or deleted that have been left alone and sometimes even encouraged as constructive dialogue. If you want to talk conspiracies how about users posting completely irresponsible threads like stating a company is out of business? I have yet to see a moderator do anything even remotely close to encouraging a scam, having a favorite product is not against any rules or outside the realm of responsible moderating...they are offering advice and solutions based on thier experience. Being what basically amounts to the forums police is already a thankless job, acusations of scams and conspiracies does nothing but discourage any sense of obligation to keep the forums orderly and useful.
BTW you do realize that Aximsite is not publically funded...and though there is alot of leeway in regards to complaints and general bitching there is no guarantee of free speech either. In my experience Axim site is one of the most frank and open forums in the Pocket PC community. If you disagree you are free to go somewhere else...in fact your even free to start your own forum if you wish.
On the subject of deleting posts that are against a certain vendor... Let me add that I do not remove any posts or threads of that nature. If you post a uninformed flame utilizing foul language or personal attacks, I will likely remove them. It is ok to slam or voice an opinion if dislike for a product, but to curse them or make unwarranted claims is absurd. In fact I deleted a post with vulgar language yesterday. The post I removed was a against a company that 1.) does not advertise here. 2.) Makes a product that is similar to another company and I PREFER THE OTHER COMPANIES product myself.
As far as moving posts/threads ... Simple, post it in the proper forum category and it will not be moved. If it is moved to the graveyard, it was a dupe post or inappropriate for this site.
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GrapeApe - I can see your point. And I would definately frequent the site and promote my product if I had one. I think the issue here for me is that if someone were to do that and pretend to be a normal user like you and me and not a employee etc then I have a problem with that. I am not saying that this is going on or that anyone is involved - I am merely just saying it.
But let me also just say that this is my opinin and last time I checked it was ok to express it here without having to go somewhere else because I agreed to disagree with another persons post.
Judging by Chris's comments it appears that this is still the case so if it is alright with you I think I will stay and continue to make what limited comments that I have time to make.
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As one of the reviewers and mods on the site, and as member #40, here are some facts for clearing the air:
1. No mod/reviewer is paid for what they do here. We're all volunteers because we happen to like the Axim series of PDA's
2. No company pays for "favorable" comments. They may pay for advertising, but no editorial bias is allowed.
3. Reviews are as honest and fair as we can make them. If we like it, we like it. If we see something wrong, we'll say it. Check the reviews; almost every one has something to say about what doesn't work, or could be improved.
4. Mods and reviewers try to correct mis-statements in posts when facts are in error, but if you say "I don't like xxxx," that's your opinion and is well within your rights to say. If you say "XXX doesn't work," or, "XXX company are [cheats/liars/dishonest/thieves/fraudulent]," without backing that accusation with something other than your single personal experience, that will draw a mod's attention because it may or may not be factual. We do have a pretty liberal approach to letting things slide, but personal attacks with unproven statements are generally outside the acceptable bounds.
5. Personal attacks on other posters is absolutely improper, and will draw mods' attention.
6. Vulgar/profane language will draw mods' attention. That policy is clearly stated on the board, and is one of the attractive features of the site. Chris put that in place on day one, and it's been there ever since. If you can't post without using profanity or vulgar expressions, go somewhere else.
Generally, intelligent people can express themselves with clarity, making the distinction between facts and opinions clearly. That is all we ask of the users here.
Vendors can post here. They can be members here. They can express opinions here. They get no favorable treatment. Most do identify themselves in their sigs, but some may not. Their posts are also watched by mods, and if they step over the bounds, they are treated the same way. Spam, when identified, is trashed.
Mods move posts all the time because people don't read the forum headers to see where they are posting. When I come to the X50 forums, I don't want to have to wade through political discussion. Mods move that to the Water Fountain, where it should have been posted in the first place. That's a service provided to the users who come to the forums for specific devices and reasons.
Overall, Aximsite is well managed, well run, and has an outstanding clientel. Very little "modding" is required because members are generally well-behaved and most posts are constructive. Let's keep it that way. :approve:
GrapeApe - I can see your point. And I would definately frequent the site and promote my product if I had one. I think the issue here for me is that if someone were to do that and pretend to be a normal user like you and me and not a employee etc then I have a problem with that. I am not saying that this is going on or that anyone is involved - I am merely just saying it.
I agree completely but to my knowledge at least most company reps that have frequented here have done so with no intent to masquerade, even those idiots at pockettv fully posted their positions :)
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But let me also just say that this is my opinin and last time I checked it was ok to express it here without having to go somewhere else because I agreed to disagree with another persons post.
Judging by Chris's comments it appears that this is still the case so if it is alright with you I think I will stay and continue to make what limited comments that I have time to make.
I agree completely, thats why I said those that disagree are "free" to go not that they had to go...a little disagreement makes for good conversation but I also belive that the moderators have a responsibility to maintain some sense of order and relevancy. Users on the other hand should at least have some sense of personal responsibilty to truthfullness and at least attempting to find the facts before throwing out accusations.
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