Obviously my perspective is based on my own personal, political, ‘factual’ and pragmatic agenda – but yes I think it continues to be good news to isolate the UK government.
Tony Blair’s clan are already greatly isolated from their electorate over their foreign policy. This news just helps this continuing trend.
I KNOW Blair didn’t just act on flawed intelligence – he LIED! :hide:
He has colluded in ‘unilateralism’ attempting to split the international institutions that the world has worked so hard to create e.g. International Court, UN, NATO…
He’s colluded in divide and rule, and ‘you're either with us or against us’ politics.
He’s lost the moral ground.
He’s assisted in making the world a much more dangerous place – terrorists are breeding like rats!
So in answer to your question – I do think it is a good thing that this man’s clan are being increasingly isolated!
Gosh I hope your happy with the way your country has the freedom to make that decision......of course about 60 years ago the situation may have been different......but of course we won't let history get in the way of bashing the US now will we....ah well maybe we should turn our back on every country that is oppressed or overrun by a stronger country, but Mr. Hendrixus even though you have made it clear you don't like the US we, as a country, see things that need to be corrected and we don't turn our backs on people, even when we don't agree with them about some things.
I don't think any American will deny that our country is not perfect, heck we even elect some real, well let me be nice and say that some of our past presidents have not shown the best face of America, and because we do have the freedom to elect these people our government will always have periods of time when the decisions made don't sit well with all of us or all of the world, but, and its a very big but, I WOULD RATHER BE CRITIISISED FOR TAKING ACTION AND TRYING TO MAKE THE WORLD BETTER THAN TO SIT ON MY BUTT AND CRITISISE ANY OTHER COUNTRY FOR DOING Something I OR MY COUNTRY WON’T AT LEAST TRY TO FIX. So you go ahead and make your comments and I think maybe the thing that may gall you is that when you think about it you still have to thank the men and woman who died 60 years ago so you can sit in front of your computer and complain about us.
Enough said on the subject
Since you think this cause is so noble, you should be putting down your fiddle and picking up a rifle and going over there to put your a** on the line and replace some poor sole who doesn't share your enthusiasm (I think you'll find plenty of them). Or are you like the draft dodging coward in the White House that like to engage in wars to bully the international community, as long as it isn't his a** or the a**es of members of his family on the line.
......of course about 60 years ago the situation may have been different......but of course we won't let history get in the way of bashing the US now will we....ah well maybe we should turn our back on every country that is oppressed or overrun by a stronger country................
I'm not for one second going to decry the personal sacrifice that many US citizens made during WW2.
They were ‘real’!
But let’s put things in perspective. The impetuous for the USA joining the war was because she was attacked at Pearl Harbour.
Altruism doesn’t come into this!
We (UK) have just, or about to, of just paid back to the USA the trillions of dollars that you lent us to wage war!
No argument about why the war was originally started.....of course Pearl was in the Pacific and there are enough conspiracy theories about that..... but the fact is clear that the US gave until it hurt in that war, and I think it is admirable that the UK is honoring their war dept, I had not heard anything about that recently, many other countries were forgiven their debts to the tune of more money than I can imagine......but the blood debt can never be repaid in full regardless of why the decisions were made..........
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No argument about why the war was originally started.....of course Pearl was in the Pacific and there are enough conspiracy theories about that..... but the fact is clear that the US gave until it hurt in that war, and I think it is admirable that the UK is honoring their war dept, I had not heard anything about that recently, many other countries were forgiven their debts to the tune of more money than I can imagine......but the blood debt can never be repaid in full regardless of why the decisions were made..........
No beef!
By the way I wasn’t suggesting that there were any purely financial reasons for the US joining the ‘punch up’.
You were threatened.
You could argue that the UK, even though we declared war before we were attacked, took a ‘highly pragmatic’ view on what was happening in Europe e.g. ditching our deal with Poland.
In fact Blair came to Poland a while back to apologise for his predecessors.
How typical it is in todays left/rigth skewed world to see an argument like this with both sides slinging rhetoric ad-nauseum. I shall endeavour not to make the same mistake, but every opinion we have is merely the bastardization fo someone elses, so alas, I cannot make the claim that I am any better.
Here is my take on the situation, you can take it or you can leave it.
Is america the root of all evils? In this case, probably not, the war on iraq was a well intentioned move that was managed by the unfit, atleast in the diplomatic, and world politics field. They were capable military strategists and bussiness people, of that there is no question.'
Does the world owe its freedom to america? In some ways I would agree without the contributions of america, things would not be as rosy. But that statement is vague and open ended. One could argue without canada, or indeed any non-militaristic country the world would be a much more grisly place. It is, in my opinion, hasty for anyone to immediatly assume only good things of america's, or any country's, involvement in the global community.
Is the bush administration evil? This is the easiest question in my mind to answer. Hardly. Bush is a man driven by personal belief and conviction to make america a faith based society, this move is regarded by some as terrifying, by others as excellent. The problem is, Bush's history has many instances where he allowed blind personal belief to supercede common sense and proper procedure. He is a man, like most leaders, who is convinced he is correct. Faith and belief are most dangerous in the hands of those in positions of power. If he continues to act merely on his own decisions, and not listen to the opinions of the global community he will, in my opinion, squander all foreign good faith and make international relationships strained and difficult.
Does america need other countries? It would by ignorant to believe any country could simply close up shop and rely soley on its own resources, therefore a good foreign policy (good meaning being beneficial to both America, and the world.) is crucial. But what if america does lose all foreign support, is it so hard to imagine the US resorting to all out war to obtain resources from otehr countries? And who would be first? mexico? canada? I think you'll find most people critical of america, because we don't see the idea of american bombs dropping on our houses as that far off.
In summary, to have a blind faith in your leaders decisions is not being patriotic, it is short-sighted. George W bush is a man, like any other. He makes good decisions, and bad. It is up to the community at large to criticize and incite discussion on the topic. To simply loathe him and his regime is counter-productive.
Since you think this cause is so noble, you should be putting down your fiddle and picking up a rifle and going over there to put your a** on the line and replace some poor sole who doesn't share your enthusiasm (I think you'll find plenty of them). Or are you like the draft dodging coward in the White House that like to engage in wars to bully the international community, as long as it isn't his a** or the a**es of members of his family on the line.
Well Spoken from the man sitting on his a** right now writing that. :approve: You have no proof of Bush dodging the draft or do you want to jump in with CBS and believe everything without proof. I wouldn't call ousting Saddam Hussan bullying the international community, or does taking someone like him out of the picture step on your toes someway?
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[QUOTE=Directive0].........................Does the world owe its freedom to america? In some ways I would agree without the contributions of america, things would not be as rosy. But that statement is vague and open ended. One could argue without canada, or indeed any non-militaristic country the world would be a much more grisly place......... QUOTE]
As a Brit, I would say we owe our 'freedom' to the arrogance of Napoleon :love:
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