I would say computer #1.. but thats only cause I trust both of the companies intel and ati very well.. I have GREAT luck with ATI video cards.. simply amazing cards.. so mod-able.. Intel has always worked great for me clear from using the Pentium 1.. I have never had one fry or go out on me for any reason. I have had 2 Nvidia cards die on me, and my friends Athlon.. its older.. fried on him. But I dont know.. its up to you
As far as I know, the high end Athlon 64's are beating the crap out of the high end P4's (even the EE models), and for much less $$. NVidia has always had a better feature set (even though they're a little slower) and their drivers are miles ahead of ATI's. wmcjhi is right that Tom's is bias towards Intel, and even their benchmarks show the Athlon 64 safely ahead.
Another thing to remember: When comparing Intel "gHz" to AMD's "xxxx+", the AMD number is conservative, meaning that an Intel 3.6gHz is slower than an Athlon 3600+. Since you're comparing a 3.4 vs a 3700+, the Intel is going to be significantly slower than the AMD.
That's on desktops. On laptops, I think the Pentium M is probably the best mobile chip, and NVidia still has better drivers.
Hold on... Are you saying that a 3200+ is going nto be faster than a 3.2 ghz and a 3400+ is going to be faster than a 3.4ghz? What I'm really asking is the "xxxx+" relaying the processor speed? Can someone give me a rock solid answer becuase I'm really not sure whats going on.
3200+ is purely a fluffy marketing name meant to imply that it's in the same ballpark as the 3.2GHz range, even though the clockspeed on the 3200+ is not 3.2GHz.
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Yes, HT is a large advantage for the p4, though I begrudgingly say so as it is more of a software advantage than hardware...Simply put, Intel performs better under heavy multitasking. It hurts me to say that, but it's the truth and I recognize that there are some things Intel does better, like multitasking and laptop chips (the Dothan core pentium Ms are simply amazing).
As far as what is equivalent to a p4 3.4, it depends what you are doing. For gaming, even an A64 3200+ will win. For general word/excel stuff, you'll probably need about a 3500+ (whatever you get, get socket 939, as it performs better than the socket 754 and socket 940...also, socket 939 is the new standard, so you'll have good upgradability that way).
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Yes, HT is a large advantage for the p4, though I begrudgingly say so as it is more of a software advantage than hardware...Simply put, Intel performs better under heavy multitasking. It hurts me to say that, but it's the truth and I recognize that there are some things Intel does better, like multitasking and laptop chips (the Dothan core pentium Ms are simply amazing).
Multitasking is what I'm going to be doing more than anything else.
Multitasking what? IE, Word, and Powerpoint will run great on either system...Ripping MP3s, converting video, and something else will run better on the p4...
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ok, lets compare 64 bit chips to 32 bit chips, and they are still close to each other...but wait...did i read that intel 64 bit p4's are coming to america...why yes i did....and in 4ghz too!
Lets compare 64 and 64. If an intel 32 can match an AMD 64, i can't wait to see what a 64bit p4 will do to AMD's chips.... End game.
You know, this the same debate that goes on in every other forum I'm on. Supercharger vs turbocharger, tube amp vs. integrates, LCD vs. Plasma, IE vs. Foxfire. There are so so so many factors that we base our opinions on that it really is impossible to compare our opinions. For example, I like Pent. I have had three, plus a laptop with the M-proc. and havent had a single problem. My good friend, who it a IT director, has had mostly AMD's, but has recently switched to the 3.0 p4. But, he has had constant probelms. But this is where being educated and having a background with computers helps. He knows that his motherboard is the problem. Years ago, when I was first starting with computers, if my Gateway wasnt working, all I knew about was that it was a gateway, and it had a PII in it. So when I had a problem, gateways and PII SUCKED!
What Im trying to say is that although some people may seem like they know what they are talking about, and infact they may, but their experiences are SO different, and what little bandwidth people choose to take up is so small, that you cannot really get an accurate picture of what their experience is and therefore cannot make a good dicision on the claims they make. It takes much more. Personally experience, personal research etc. to really make up ones mind.
At least that is my opinion.........
Well said, but advice is a good place to get started...I built my first AMD system on recommendations from people whose opinions I respect...
My choices on your common debates:
Supercharger (No thanks to electronic gimmicks...)
Dunno about the amp thing, I'm not a car stereo guy
Plasma anyday
Firefox is what I'm typing on right now!
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Well said, but advice is a good place to get started...I built my first AMD system on recommendations from people whose opinions I respect...
My choices on your common debates:
Supercharger (No thanks to electronic gimmicks...)
Dunno about the amp thing, I'm not a car stereo guy
Plasma anyday
Firefox is what I'm typing on right now!
No thanks on electronic gimmicks? I dont really understand that one, as they will both have to have an aftermarket ECU to be totally safe and maximize safety and performance. The amp question is extremly heated when brought up (this is home audio not car audio). I have only had integrated amps, but would like to try a tube amlifier; more specificaly, build it myself. Plasma does seem to be winning in price, performance and availability right now. and as for IE and firefox, I think I will try it on my new pc Im building at the moment (and I chose a 3.0 p4 with HT :) )
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