Just exactly where are you located that makes you so superior to someone in AL?
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Heh, I was just kidding. Trust me, I live in Ohio, and know some pretty stupid people. But I believe the public education system in AL is rated pretty low... Don't hold me to it, because I couldn't find the rating, but I've heard things.
Also, about Farenhite 451: MECHANICAL HOUNDS!
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State lawmakers in Alabama are proposing a bill to cut funding that would rid libraries and communities of books and plays with homosexual characters or themes.
Now, before this thread turns into a Christian debate, I'm posting this because I'm not sure how a state's legislature can propose such a direct violation of the 1st amendment. Regardless of whether one believes homosexuality is a choice or if it's genetic, or whether it's for them or whether it's a sin... removal of literature with gay characters is a ridiculous idea. Just think of the debates that could go on in regards to which characters are gay and which are questionable and which are not, etc...
Does anybody else find this absolutely ridiculous?
ROTFL!! God bless backwards "We're still in the Confederacy" states. Do they even know we are in the 21st century? They got indoor plumbing yet also?
Homeschooling is the best, wish I was homeschooled. Just be sure they have plenty of interaction with other youngsters. I knew a kid who was 16 and acted like he was seven because his parents kept him in seclusion while homeschooling.
Anyway, this bill makes me sick. How will they judge what books are "too gay"? What criteria makes stuff gay, and how much is too much? If this passes, hell shall freeze over, and civil war will break out once more.
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One of the hardest things for young gay people is to find a way to accept themselves. Having access to art and literature that lets them know they aren't the only gay person out there has saved lives. For straight people, seeing gay characters and gay life opens the path towards not only tolerance but full acceptance. I doubt legislation like this would make it very far... I know many bigots but far many more who don't like discrimination and its consequences.
why is it that any tyme anyone does anything like this it is automatically the christians fault? Athiest can be anti-homosexual too you know. Kill the Christian bashing.
With the fear of turning this into a religious debate... How often do you hear of a Christian accepting of homosexuals (unless it's here in San Francisco where there are actually religious institutions with rainbow flags outside them)? With the way that religious fanatics make it a point to exclude anyone not coinciding with their beliefs (er... what they're told to believe), it's no wonder that everyone in today's society equates Christians to be bigoted, closed minded, discriminatory asses.
However, I do realize that there are many, many Christians out there who believe that religion has been turned into something that's viewed negatively by many people because of many Christians' intolerance, when in actuality, Christianity is about love and tolerance. I'm not talking about the whole "hate the sin, love the sinner" mindframe, because they believe that love (regardless of orientation) isn't a sin. My point being, however, that the "christian bashing", as you fondly put it, occurs because of the way most Christians present themselves, and the way that Christians will fight, argue, and bash anyone whose belief system is contrary to their own.
Just my opinion, of course. :approve:
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You seemed to be making an enlightened point when you said...
Originally Posted by cloud909
With the way that religious fanatics make it a point to exclude anyone not coinciding with their beliefs (er... what they're told to believe), it's no wonder that everyone in today's society equates Christians to be bigoted, closed minded, discriminatory asses.
...pointing out how the behavior of some leads to a bigoted or prejudice view against the larger group. (Althought the parenthetical snipe was uncalled for.)
However you surprised me when you yourself then equated Christians to be bigoted, closed minded, and discriminatory by saying...
Originally Posted by cloud909
"christian bashing", as you fondly put it, occurs because of the way most Christians present themselves, and the way that Christians will fight, argue, and bash anyone whose belief system is contrary to their own.
MOST Christians are just like MOST PEOPLE. They are honest, intelligent, tolerant, and understanding. They are both respectful and accepting of the differences between people. And their beliefs, again like most people's, are well founded and reasoned. Not based simply on what they're told.
It may appear to you that Most behave as you say but that's because you, like many people, have taken the few extreme examples that you've come across, either in your personal life or in the news, and arbitrarily generalized them to the entire Christian population.
This thread is a classic example of that. One extremist legislator proposed one extreme piece of legislation. As near as I can tell (and yes, I looked) it has absolutely no support, but based on his action people here are now bashing both the entire State of Alabama, and Christians in general. And yet NOTHING I've read has given any indication that the views expressed by Alabama State Rep. Gerald Allen are representative of either the people of Alabama or most Christians.
Let's stop the prejudice.
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why is it that any tyme anyone does anything like this it is automatically the christians fault? Athiest can be anti-homosexual too you know. Kill the Christian bashing.
I hear you, but let's face it, most of the complaining tends to come from religious groups. Not true? And I wouldn't call it bashing. That's just the way it is. If I am incorrect, I apologize up front.
I hear you, but let's face it, most of the complaining tends to come from religious groups. Not true? And I wouldn't call it bashing. That's just the way it is. If I am incorrect, I apologize up front.
Homo-sexuality is a question of morality IMHO.
Most christians don't like it and see it as immoral. Many athiests, including most of my friends, also think it is immoral. Religion isn't so much the factor here as it is a question of morality. This thread should have never mentioned religion, its a morality question. Also, most religions don't support homosexuality, its not just the Christians. This is an example of athiests trying to make christians look bad, and do an bad job at it (notice the sig of the person who brought religion into this)
MOST Christians are just like MOST PEOPLE. They are honest, intelligent, tolerant, and understanding. They are both respectful and accepting of the differences between people. And their beliefs, again like most people's, are well founded and reasoned. Not based simply on what they're told.
This may be true, but the ones that aren't intelligent (or use their intelligence in a distorted way that is unrecognizable to many of us) or tolerant or understanding are highly organized, highly vociferous, are unabashed in promoting their own agenda, and appear to be gaining momentum in an effort to take over complete political control over the country.
They might not be a majority of Christians, but they are an absolutely, stone reliable voting block that is part of a political coalition that can't survive without them.
And they, without hesitation, claim to represent all Christians and morality, and those who don't share their views aren't organizing effectively to oppose them, which allows politicians to get the impression that they do in fact represent all Christians and their beliefs.
This may be true, but the ones that aren't intelligent (or use their intelligence in a distorted way that is unrecognizable to many of us) or tolerant or understanding are highly organized, highly vociferous, are unabashed in promoting their own agenda, and appear to be gaining momentum in an effort to take over complete political control over the country.
They might not be a majority of Christians, but they are an absolutely, stone reliable voting block that is part of a political coalition that can't survive without them.
And they, without hesitation, claim to represent all Christians and morality, and those who don't share their views aren't organizing effectively to oppose them, which allows politicians to get the impression that they do in fact represent all Christians and their beliefs.
Hear hear. The "silent majority" of Christians, those who use their faith to guide their own lives instead of trying to butt into other people's, are unnecessarily smeared by these whacko fringe types who are always barking away in the media. And until this huge group makes it very clear that the vocal minority does NOT speak for all Christians, those negative stereotypes about Christians will persist.
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