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Originally Posted by cloud909
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My bad... I have a tendency to let my own feelings regarding organized religion get the better of me sometimes. My apologies for the snide remark.
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But then you go on to defend the remark below, expressing your feelings as fact.
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Originally Posted by cloud909
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When I state anything negative regarding "Christians", I'm speaking of the ones who do not follow "God's Word", the ones who, regardless of what they're taught, still have a place for hatred and discrimination and bigotry in their hearts.
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Which you belive to be MOST Christians?
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Originally Posted by cloud909
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While I appreciate the affirming words regarding Christians, I have to disagree with you. While it would be nice to believe that Christians, as a whole, are not only honest and intelligent, but also tolerant and understanding, the truth of the matter is that Christians, along with every other sect of people in this world, have their faults. To generalize Christians as being the most tolerant and understanding of people is, unfortunately, far from the truth.
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You've misunderstood me. I didn't say that Christians are
the most tolerant and understand, etc. I said that
most Christians are tolerant and understand. There is a big, big difference.
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Originally Posted by cloud909
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While some people may do this, I personally don't believe this to be the case for myself.
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Of course not. Everybody always believes that they are the exception. And yet, you defend your views by citing anecdotal evidence based on your personal interactions.
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Originally Posted by cloud909
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I'm surrounded by Christians day in and day out. I see the extreme good and the extreme bad that Christianity can cause for people and their personalities. I'm dating a Christian, who I believe is one of the most sincere, genuine, understanding, patient people alive. I work with another Christian who talks about how she wants to cheat on her husband with the messenger boy who comes into the office. I work with another Christian who condemns homosexuals and states that they're all going to hell and how they're all sinners, yet she is proud of the fact that she sleeps with more men than she can keep track of.
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I'm only saying that those interactions are no more representative of 'most christians' than they are of most people in general. In other words it's not a christian phenomenon you're witnessing, it's a human pehnomenon. Look around. The Christians aren't the only ones doing those things. So way extrapolate the behavior only to Christisans?
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Originally Posted by cloud909
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What I believe is that Christians (along with any other organized religion, actually) need something to believe... they're told what to believe, and they follow it. Regardless of whether it's a pastor, a priest, a fellow Christian or some evangelist on the television, Christians will believe what they are told if it deals with their religious beliefs.
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You're right. We need something to believe. Everybody does, including the unorganized/non-religious. Even you need something to believe even if that belief is, for example, that there is no God. But if you're implying that followers of any organized religion blindly accept what they're told and act on it accordingly, again, speaking in broad, all-encompassing terms you're wrong. Yes, it's true of some, no it's not true of all. The same is true of people with respect to any beliefs, religious or otherwise. Some people accept what they're told and plod blindly on, others question. Where you and I disagree is the extent.
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Originally Posted by cloud909
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I believe you're absolutely right. I believe that the proposed legislation is an extreme act which couldn't possibly follow through, let alone get carried out and taken seriously. However, it does scare me that the article has stated that this proposed bill has the support of President Bush. Surprised? No... hardly.
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I'd like to know what the paper is basing that statment on. I find it highly suspect. Mainly because I think ANY president would be foolish to actively support such a radical piece of legislation. If he did I'd like the hear the quote, or see the transcript. My guess is they're putting words in his mouth.
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Originally Posted by cloud909
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I personally think that people shouldn't be bashing "Alabama" as a whole... that's ridiculous (almost as ridiculous as the proposed bill itself), and bashing Christians is pointless. Religious beliefs of all types have been around for centuries and centuries. What I do think should happen is that these religious "fanatics" need to ask themselves why they think homosexuality is immoral or wrong, outside of the bible. Without any reference to any passage in the bible, they need to ask themselves why they think gay people are so wrong and so immoral (and give up the whole "they don't procreate, so it's just wrong" excuse. There are plenty of straight working families that don't have children... are they damned to hell as well?)
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You're right about what the "fanatics" should do. I think they're incapable. I'm not a fanatic. I'm always questioning.
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Originally Posted by cloud909
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Anyway... :rolling: This is why I didn't want to get into a religious debate. 
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Well, whether you wanted to or not, thanks for a lively debate.
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