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Old 04-13-05, 09:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Parental Controls

Just wondering how many of you guys use parental controls and what your thoughts are?

I guess one point of view is that you restrict what your kids can do with the computer to keep them safe.

Another point of view would be that you should trust them, not fence them. Educate and trust as opposed to lock and key.


For those of you that are still kids - do your parents implement parental controls?

For the parents here - do you implement then for your kids?
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Old 04-13-05, 09:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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When i was young(er), i had netnanny intalled on my computer. It was just stupid.. it would lock me out of IE when i went to a page that had the word "bomb" on it and other stupid stuff. So, I would just open up Netscape and browse the internet or just end the process or something, can't remember... So for parents, make sure you got protection for all browsers, lol, otherwise the kids would just use a different browser. As for me now, i built my own computer and have no protection. I really don't see the need for protection for kids over the age of 12, but i do understand it for younger kids, of course this is all coming from a younger prespective.
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Old 04-13-05, 10:35 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Honestly, If you can't trust your kids to go on the Internet, they shouldn't be on there in the first place. Seccond, the only thing that isn't locked out is the adventures of Whinne the Poo.

Please, if you use internet controls, rip the cable from it's socket and earn some trust with your kids.

That's how I feel! Not trying to be rude, just my opinion.
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Old 04-13-05, 10:50 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I've only had one rule for Number One Son, never erase IE History and never erase Cookies..........wait, that's Two Rules.

Two Rules for Number One Son....Never Erase IE History and Never Erase Cookies and TIF files........three.....Three Rules for Number One Son...........

Three Rules: Never Erase IE History, Never Erase Cookies, Never Erase TIF files and never change his passwo..........blimey.........let me come in again............
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Old 04-13-05, 10:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I simply told Number One Son to never erase IE History, Cookies, TIF files or to change his password.

He knew I could tell if he had and was careful where he went....at home.......I occasionally found a few "questionable" sites, but nothing out of the ordinary or over-the-top for his age at the time and/or where his curiosities should be at that age.

Hell.....I had Playboy, Penthouse, Oui and an occasional Hustler when I was growing up. I had no problems with him viewing like content. Those few times I felt he "stepped out of bounds", it provided opportunities for he and I to talk and to have questions answered ...on both our parts......Something I never had with my Father by sneak-peeking in the treehouse.

He has grown into a very mature and commendable young man, who knows his likes & dislikes........and admitted to me once that other kids would come to him to have questions answered, because they knew he had real answers.
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Old 04-13-05, 11:04 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Honestly, even if you do implement parental controls.. it makes it that more tempting. Besides, your child will just view the inappropriate content at a friend's house instead.

Pretty much everything you see on the internet is eventual in life (e.g. sex). It's a shame people have to be exposed to it so young, but you have to deal with it.. unfortunately.
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Old 04-13-05, 11:07 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think that kids will find a way around most any parental controls that are in place. Really you need to talk with your kid/s and explain to them why they shouldnt go to certain sites, etc.

For Example, at my school they use an advanced Content blocker on all machines. Half the time it blocks the content used for Science studies and Calculus, but then the person next to me searches britney spears and is pulling up porn sites

and if you really want to get to a site, you go through google and use the google cache function....works for bringing up text although sometimes pictures still get blocked

there is no perfect content blocker out there yet in my mind....except for talking with your kid/s
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Old 04-13-05, 11:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I gotta chuckle...my son, trying to cover his tracks, once did a global search on our computer for the word "sex" and put all those files into the trash can. Fortunately, he didn't empty it.

Just for grins, try searching file names on your computer with those letters and you'll see there's a bunch of systems files with that sequence of letters. Not to mention a bunch of Excel files I had for work that the file name ended in "se" and then was followed by the .xls suffix.

He's 20 now and I didn't put any limits on what he could do other than what AOL censored. I'd also do a random check of the history file (he now deletes that after everytime he uses our computer).

I have an 8 year old daughter, and I've restricted her search options through Google (not perfect, but effective) and locked out sites with Explorer's "Content Advisor" (also, not perfect, but still effective).

A determined person will find a way to see what they want to see.
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Old 04-14-05, 06:50 AM   #9 (permalink)
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For younger children, a blocker might not be a bad idea. But, I would also pair that with some instruction/help in becoming a responsible web user. As they get older they can do a much better job of self-monitoring. At that point, I would get rid of the blocker. Forky is correct, leaving a blocker on could be viewed as a challenge to the older child and, as other have pointed out, they probably will find ways around it anyway. I'm all for promoting age-appropriate responsibility! :approve:
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Old 04-14-05, 01:27 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Kids are usually smarter on the computer than their parents. They seem to learn fast. If there's a way, they will find it. Besides they are curious, especially boys. We caught the grandson on a few adult sites. We talked to him about it. I can be pretty sure that if there was internet when I was a teenager, I would have never left my room.
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Old 04-14-05, 02:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Of our five childen, only Rachel and Jacob know how to use IE without assistance. We have shortcuts for their favorite websites displayed to make it easier for them. Being 7, Jacob is only interested in games so no worries there.

Rachel is 9 and has learned how to use Google to search for information. When she develops an interest (her latest was learning how to speak Japanese) she will do a Google search. She has also used it for reports for school. I have a good enough relationship with Rachel that she feels comfortable talking to me and asking questions so that if she did happen across something inappropriate I am confident she would come see me. I know that will most likely change at she gets older, but for now it works.

Right now we don't feel the need to install any parental controls on the kid's computer. Given what they use it for it just doesn't seem necessary. That said, Cary has blocked a few of the websites the kids were frequenting because they were busy playing games when they were supposed to be doing other things.. you know, like homework... :)

As the kids get older, who knows . I haven't really thought that far ahead.
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Old 04-14-05, 03:08 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Just give them comlete access... cept use a packet sniffer and log everything, lol.
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Old 04-14-05, 03:27 PM   #13 (permalink)
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i thinked a lot of parents have the misconception about such softwares

as netnanny. these software were designed so that when your kids does

a search on google about say "big puppy's" or anything else a child would want to search,

that some pron sites doesn't appeared on his/her screen.

we must protect the very young ones, from mislabeled/misleading pron sites,

also from predators that hangs around teenagers chat room,

specially on irc's servers, i think msn/yahoo do have safe

and monitored chatting rooms for kids/teenagers ...
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Old 04-14-05, 05:07 PM   #14 (permalink)
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:whispers: i figued out that if i use ie then i can avad the PRs that my perents put on my computer....


but really me point of veiw about Prs is that we should do away with them. kids of the moderen day need to keep up with current events (mine would not let me go to www.cnn.com) and why do they even WANT to keep the leaders of tomarrow out of all of that stuff i mean who gives a <replace with own word> if your kid knows what a "boob" is?? i dont look at that stuff but it saerted to get annoying when the PCs started blocking downloads and things like that.... also a kid is going to know what a nacked person is going to look like at lest some time in his?her life why not just let them see it..


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Old 04-14-05, 08:40 PM   #15 (permalink)
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... avad ... perents ... moderen ... tomarrow ... saerted ... nacked ... lest ...his?her
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