A divided Supreme Court ruled Thursday that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses against their will for private development in a decision anxiously awaited in communities where economic growth often is at war with individual property rights. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050623/D8ATEQV80.html
This country is getting scarier and scarier.
Why people still believe that it's the liberals who watch out for the little guy is completely beyond me....
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Actually, the government could always seize your home for government projects like roads and city owned stadiums. In LA, they seized a bunch of homes to build the parking lot at Dodger Stadium, which is privately owned.
What's new about this is that someone challenged their right to use eminent domain to seize private property for private development. It's been done before, but challenges hadn't reached the Supreme Court until now.
You would have no urban freeways at all if the government didn't have the ability to seize private property all along. It's constitutional under the 5th Amendment, and has been for as long as the Bill of Rights has existed.
So long as the owners are paid market rate for their homes, and those homeowners should be able to stall development for some time when it comes to determining market rate, the government had the right to do it for parks and other civic projects. This new ruling clarifies that it applies to urban renewal projects that have some wider civic benefit.
IMO, it's a very dangerous and misguided ruling. You can bet that it's not the last you'll hear of it.
I'll give an example. Those of us who live in the Los Angeles area have seen rapid appreciation of our home values. But our property taxes are based on the price we paid with modest increases every year. When home values are 3 times more than the current taxable rate, it's easy for the government to claim that it's losing tax revenue because people are not selling their homes.
Now the government can come in and say to developers, "We'll condemn these houses if you build apartment buildings. You pay the market rate for the property. We collect increased property taxes, which solves all of our financial woes. Everybody wins. Even the homeowners who will now have the huge amount of money because of their appreciated values".
Of course, the homeowners are big losers. Even if they find comparable homes, their tax bill will be multiplied several times because it's based on the current market. Worse, a large number of homeowners trolling the same neighborhood for new houses will most certainly drive the price of a comparable home up.
The only way homeowners can protect themselves is by banding together to get state legislation passed that protects them, which the Supreme Court has said would supercede their ruling.
the government can take private property for public use, but when it comes down to it are you gonna use an appartement for public use if thats what they build?. the government is doing this for $$$$$$ and maybe a few ill give you this if you give me that(Votes) hint hint.
this is gonna ruin our country along with the recent ruling from the supreme court(about them overriding local courts.) the founders of america strikely said that 90% of the government should be from the local government not the federal government, if not the country would be heading for trouble. guess what we are allready in some trouble.
we americans(and foriegners if you want to) need to speak up and tell all politicians to straighten up. this country is so corupted that its is just unbeleivable. you got the congress fighting with each other like a old unhappy couple, you got a Brain dead president(although i do support him on the iraqi war, that seems to be the only thing he's done right so far), and then you got the supreme court who's like a rebeling kid. This is the most dysfunctional gov i have ever seen. if this doesnt stop its really the end of the america we all used to know.
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This recent development spells major trouble on the horizon if it isnt overturned! Next the government at any level will be dictating absolutely where we may live, work play etc as well as when, and how we may do so...... then a bit further on, the situation could all too easily become truly hellish! .... aided by modern technology to boot!!!! It isnt really that farfetched and something very much like this happened before....it was call Nazi Germany! People were removed from their homes by force, denied basic rights and liberties, relocated, forced to work in slave camps and worse, and then exterminated as well! The American electorate had better get off its collective posterior and stop this governmental blitz of personal freedoms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Time to call for the impeachment or similar removel of quite a few officials that are runnning this nation down a road that soon may be impossible to retreat from once people discover what has happened to them.........This Court decision really has me worried....I heard a commentator say it would eventually be overturned.....Yeah and I hope so! BUT at what cost? How many lives will be disrupted, even ruined! Call me paranoid do you.....somehow I do not think so! Business and developers better stay the bleep away from me and my family and home etc.............I for one would defend them all (and with force if it came to such a measure! YES I AM that serious!
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Whats the Free'est government on the earth today????????????
Hong Kong(apart of Communist China). kinda ironic isnt it?
The american people are losing their personal freedoms and rights everyday because of their ignorance and just plain lazyness. No one in this country seems to care anymore, its always someone else's job to do what they're suppose to do. There is very little public involvement in the government and that is why we let them come out with rulings and laws that fly under the radar to take away what we hold so close to ourselves, FREEDOM. People if you dont get up and get involved the government will, and they arent after personal rights/freedoms they are after POWER.
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The government is selling this by pushing fear, why do you think the patriot act passed in the first place. Not only that but they are trying to make the states pay for alot of this BS. The feds are trying to make state drivers licenses into a federal ID, and make the states pay for all this would entail. Remember, this license is really only supposed to say that you are legally allowed to operate a motor vehicle.
Someone is very confused.
By and large, the people behind the Patriot Act were and are against today's ruling.
And I agree that drivers licenses were not intended as IDs but that is what they've evolved into.
What do you propose that people use for identification?
Or are you opposed to people being identified?
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I was responding to the post above mine, which was talking about the loss of freedom in america, not just the most recent supreme court ruling.
My point is if the Federal Government feels that a Federal ID is required then they should try to implement it, don't do this backdoor BS. They are trying to do it this way because they know that there would be an outcry against it. Do you think you should have to undergo the equivant of a full FBI background check to be licensed to drive?
By the way, you understand that you could be required to show two legal forms of ID when boarding a plane if the alert level is high? Do you carry (or even have) two legal forms of ID? Do you really think this would make you any safer on the plane? Does strip searching your grandmother randomly before boarding make you feel safer?
I do think the patriot act was a devil's bargain which was sold to the american people through fear. And the idea that we are holding people indefinately without charging them for any crime and subjecting them to torture as defined by the Geneva convention bothers me very much. And remember that the prisons in Iraq were (and probably still are) full of people that were grabbed in sweeps. I believe the american estimates where that 70% of them were quilty of nothing more than being in the wrong place.
But I guess you are comfortable with the idea of secret search warrents, and holding people secretly? Each to there own, it is (or was) a free country.
Someone is very confused.
By and large, the people behind the Patriot Act were and are against today's ruling.
And I agree that drivers licenses were not intended as IDs but that is what they've evolved into.
What do you propose that people use for identification?
Or are you opposed to people being identified?
I suppose there is some justification for "formal" identification, but then again on the other hand I would prefer that no such thing was deemed necessary at all!....I know, I know .... we do not live in that sort of a world!
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I was responding to the post above mine, which was talking about the loss of freedom in america, not just the most recent supreme court ruling.
My point is if the Federal Government feels that a Federal ID is required then they should try to implement it, don't do this backdoor BS. They are trying to do it this way because they know that there would be an outcry against it. Do you think you should have to undergo the equivant of a full FBI background check to be licensed to drive?
By the way, you understand that you could be required to show two legal forms of ID when boarding a plane if the alert level is high? Do you carry (or even have) two legal forms of ID? Do you really think this would make you any safer on the plane? Does strip searching your grandmother randomly before boarding make you feel safer?
I do think the patriot act was a devil's bargain which was sold to the american people through fear. And the idea that we are holding people indefinately without charging them for any crime and subjecting them to torture as defined by the Geneva convention bothers me very much. And remember that the prisons in Iraq were (and probably still are) full of people that were grabbed in sweeps. I believe the american estimates where that 70% of them were quilty of nothing more than being in the wrong place.
But I guess you are comfortable with the idea of secret search warrents, and holding people secretly? Each to there own, it is (or was) a free country.
I quite agree with all your points! For my money most of the stuff that the feds have done since Sept 11th are not particularly effective.......except with respect to burdening and inconveniencing the law abiding citizen and their families!
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.......... The American electorate had better get off its collective posterior and stop this governmental blitz of personal freedoms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .......
Agreed. Sad thing is that people seemed more upset by the Bill and Monica episode than by the current threats to personal freedom.
Agreed. Sad thing is that people seemed more upset by the Bill and Monica episode than by the current threats to personal freedom.
That seems to be the case....
I just wrote a very detailed letter of concerns to Senator Feinstein, and guess what???? It came back as a delivery failure....and it DID have the correct address....Yikes!
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