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If not illegal now, it should be.
I cannot understand the condoning of using what others pay for what will turn out to be further occurences of hacking.
It seems that so many people think they have a right to other people's property. And we the legal consumers always have to pay further to ensure we have security measures to prevent this.
1) If you are driving around accessing other's networks and internet connections, who is driving?
2) If I had resources to track these "invaders", I'd lobby to persecute.
3) If you can afford the hardware and it's subsequent technologies to enable you to "sniff out networks" in your neighborhood, I'd assume you can afford to pay for your own internet connection.
Wireless networking technologies are wonderful. Don't misuse them maliciously .
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What a cool term, War Walking. I'm not into War Walking myself ... too lazy. But I don't see the harm in using somebody else's wireless to grab an email. As long as you don't camp on their connection, use a lot of bandwidth, or try to attack their system -- where's the harm? I'll bet there's plenty of people who are "cross coupled" and don't even know it. Think of people in apartments, Maybe the Wireless access point downstairs or across the hall has a stronger signal than the one on the other side of your appartment.
Now if somebody has taken measures to keep other people out, then they've posted a "no trespassing" sign, and I would respect that. Definately no hacking tools, no tries for admin access, ... avoid the dark side.
But if it's wide open, then maybe the owner just doesn't mind giving a fellow human a break.
BTW - this activity is a good reason why we should all be running software firewalls on those PCs that are wirelessly connected. And make sure you change your WEP admin password. Sad but true, some people are more "adventurous" than others. And a very small number are outright malicious.
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Beowulf...are you aware of the diff. between Prosecute and Persecute? It seems there are many people who leave their systems open on purpose. How then is one to distinguish them from ignorant people who don't know any better. I believe security is there to protect innocent people from being tempted. Criminals usually have the capacity to steal what they want anyway. I believe that if a person leaves his house unlocked he should not be surprised to see a few friends on the couch when he gets home. It's practically an invitation. If your friend doesn't answer the door after several attempts, and the door is unlocked, wouldn't you go in and make sure your friend was okay? when you realized he wasn't there wouldn't you leave a note and lock the door when you left? If he shows back up when you are still there does he have a right to be upset? Our local Police occasionally will walk around pulling door knobs late at night...just to lock doors and post notes to allert people. one of my neighbors gets these notes pretty regularly. The house is rarely left alone anyway, but who is to blame if the get ripped off?
I wouldn't be upset if nothing malicious happened. i do not care how much band width is used If I'm not effected by it when it happens.
BTW...I have all of the equipment and software to do this but never have. I did not realize this was so easily done. I do not have a wireless netwqork at home but occasionally use the Tmobile sites at Starbucks to check email...pay as you go. I am undecided as to whether I will do this in the future. I currently use my cell conection to check email...when there is coverage. I will eventually go to a wireless home network. I do not yet know if I will protect the network or just each system. For now it is not an issue. I only have one system and connect via cable all around.
Oh mu goodness! We just had a little bird fly in the house thru an open screen door. It terrified the kids as it flew thru the house. I wonder if I should persecute it?
sure there are some peeps out there looking for free APs for unethical reasons. i myself just like to see what i can see.
I dont do anything to harm thier systems. I drive all over the city i live in and the immediate surrounding cities anyway so its nice to see where i can connect for a few minutes during a lunch break or somthin. Thats all. i personally have wep encryption disabled on my network so anyone in my area can use at will. if i see a mass amount of bandwidth being used of course i will dicontinue my generosity.
Originally posted by commoved But I don't see the harm in using somebody else's wireless to grab an email. As long as you don't camp on their connection, use a lot of bandwidth, or try to attack their system -- where's the harm?
I am kind of in the gray area on this subject, but I guess leaning a little more towards war driving/walking being wrong. You say, "Where's the harm?" with using someone's wireless to check an e-mail. Well, If I were to leave my door unlocked and you need to make a phone call....does that mean you should be able to walk right on in and pick up the phone? Just my outlook on it.
This has become an interesting discussion and Deftech gave an interesting answer. Did you know ... in the colder regions of rural Canada it used to be the protocol for residents to leave one of their doors unlocked when they're not home. The idea was that if somebody had car troubles, and they could just find a building, they could get in, keep warm, make a phone call.... I wish we could live that way all the time everywhere, buit I'm not brave enough (or maybe foolish enough) to leave my door unlocked.
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This topic is HARD to reply too!!
I have been trying to type what I
am thinking and its a lot harder then
it seems!.. i've been here for at least
10 minutes trying to type something..
Either you care or you dont,
if you care secure yout network,
if you dont care... dont secure it..
I KNOW 90% of the people out there
war driving/walking are out to attack
or access my files... I KNOW this and
I still leave my wireless network wide
open...
Care - Secure your network
Dont care - Dont secure it...
simple english....
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IMO...I think the whole analogy to leaving your front door open is part of the problem here. You can't compare invading a persons home with jumping on their WAP if it's left open. As stated by some of you, some of these WAP's are left open intentionally. I do however think that the manufactures of the wireless world should make a little more effort take make people aware of the fact that they should secure their wireless networks. I know when I bought my AP the manual was written so I could be up and running quickly. They mentioned WEP and MAC filtering, but just stated, "Here's where you can enable encyrption and filtering." No good explanantion of what either was, let alone why it may be important to the user. Granted if they did alert the consumer, it would probably kill sales because then they all would want to lock the WAP down and for the average user, it would probably be to complicated. Should war driving/walking it be illeagal? I don't think so, unless the WAP has been locked down and someone hacked into it. As a matter of fact I just recently read an article from Wired, and I can't recall the state, but they are trying to pass a bill that states if you setup a wireless network, it's your responsibility to protect yourself. If it's left open and someone accesses it, they cannot be prosecuted. I believe we're going to start seeing things go this way. It's the 21st century and the analogies flying around that are used to try and defend or debunk whether it's right or wrong are like comparing apples to oranges. I'm curious to hear from those of you who think war driving/walking is wrong. Do you also realize that your cordless phone and cell phone conversations can be intercepted with special radios that can be bought right off the shelf? I've even had a baby monitor pick up a neighbors phone conversation before. Like it or not, there's all kinds of info flying around the air from all sorts of devices.
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