Using your BT phone as a modem Mini-Guide - Page 2

ahfunaki · 02-02-05, 02:24 PM

I cant figure it out on my x30...maybe i'm just stupid though...

bobbi · 02-03-05, 03:55 PM

Hi! I'm new too and I'm planning on trying this. I have the Axim X50. I have Cingular but my phone is an older one and not bluetooth. I'm going to start shopping for a bluetooth phone this weekend (Cingular won't let me upgrade until May and that is too long to wait). Any suggestions on what model phone works well but won't be too cost prohibitive on ebay or somewhere like that?

ahfunaki · 02-06-05, 06:24 AM

Does anyone know if you need a name and password for cingular?

davidhughes999 · 02-09-05, 02:47 AM

I swore I wouldn't need to write this - any bluetooth / networking problem was solvable with enough fiddling. Well I've fiddled for hours and I'm stumped.

I have an X50v and a Sony K700i phone with vodafone in the UK. The account is GPRS enabled. I have been unable to persuade the Dell to access the internet via the K700i.

I have followed both the guides on the vodafone site and the excellent guides on here (both Teds bluetooth guide and tabten5's guide on using a BT phone as a modem).

The bluetooth connection is working between the phone and the Dell as I can exchange business cards and exchange files.

The vodafone dial up seems to be working as I can access the internet via the BT phone using my laptop (which seems to require many fewer settings than the Dell!)

I have set up both the BT connection in BT manager and set up the connection in connections manager (including extra dial string etc). When I tap & hold the shortcut (in BT manager) K700i Dial-up networking it flips to the screen asking me to select my connection. No problem - select the one with all the vodafone settings (*99# etc etc). Hit ok. It shows as connecting and after a second'Connection established'. Then a pop up shows 'Connecting' and shows 'Dialing *99#' and progressing dots as is I'm dialing. Then it comes up with Cannot Connect for an unknown reason. It also generates the message 'Bluetooth Manager: The connection failed and could not be reestablished'.

Anyone got any ideas whether I have a bluetooth problem, a K700i problem, a Dell problem or a vodafone problem....?

Don't suppose anyone has an identical setup that could let me have their exact settings.

I've tried both soft and hard resets and the Dell has practically no software in it (Betaplayer, the two stock games and Magic Button)

Any assistance greatly appreciated.

Dave

02-09-05, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by davidhughes999

I swore I wouldn't need to write this - any bluetooth / networking problem was solvable with enough fiddling. Well I've fiddled for hours and I'm stumped.

I have an X50v and a Sony K700i phone with vodafone in the UK. The account is GPRS enabled. I have been unable to persuade the Dell to access the internet via the K700i.

I have followed both the guides on the vodafone site and the excellent guides on here (both Teds bluetooth guide and tabten5's guide on using a BT phone as a modem).

The bluetooth connection is working between the phone and the Dell as I can exchange business cards and exchange files.

The vodafone dial up seems to be working as I can access the internet via the BT phone using my laptop (which seems to require many fewer settings than the Dell!)

I have set up both the BT connection in BT manager and set up the connection in connections manager (including extra dial string etc). When I tap & hold the shortcut (in BT manager) K700i Dial-up networking it flips to the screen asking me to select my connection. No problem - select the one with all the vodafone settings (*99# etc etc). Hit ok. It shows as connecting and after a second'Connection established'. Then a pop up shows 'Connecting' and shows 'Dialing *99#' and progressing dots as is I'm dialing. Then it comes up with Cannot Connect for an unknown reason. It also generates the message 'Bluetooth Manager: The connection failed and could not be reestablished'.

Anyone got any ideas whether I have a bluetooth problem, a K700i problem, a Dell problem or a vodafone problem....?

Don't suppose anyone has an identical setup that could let me have their exact settings.

I've tried both soft and hard resets and the Dell has practically no software in it (Betaplayer, the two stock games and Magic Button)

Any assistance greatly appreciated.

Dave

I have exactly the same setup (except I am on orange) and I think I had the same problem you are having. My solution was to go into your axim settings in connections and edit your connection (where it asks what the name and phone number is etc.), go into 'advanced...' on the last page of the settings and put

Z

into the extra dial-string modem commands. If this doesn't work you may have to specify the APN you are using on the phone. For instance, I dial *99***4# so it accesses APN 4 on the k700i.

Hope this helps - get back to me if you have any more problems
(Hope this makes sense to you)

Rabdo

**Martin** · 02-09-05, 08:26 AM

I've got the K700i too, although (like Rabdo) it's on Orange. What he's advised is the next logical step; if you've set up a partnership with your laptop, etc, already then the APN on your phone may well be different from the default. I personally didn't need the "Z" at the end of the dial-string, but I have heard of people that do need to.

I'd get hold of Voda Data Support (either on the phone or through your service provider, e.g. Carphone Warhouse Vodafone or Singlepoint and get them to check all the settings with you line by line. Also double-check GPRS is activated on your account and is enabled on your phone (you have the little blue wave above your signal strength). Also try deleting all connections, etc, and trying again from scratch.

Failing that, borrow a friend's phone and see if you can link it to your Axim. If you can, then the inference may be that your phone has some BT issues (the fact that it links with your laptop doesn't necessarily rule that out, although it is a strong indicator that it's unlikely.)

Let us know how you get on. Moved to wireless comms.

davidhughes999 · 02-09-05, 08:59 AM

Thanks for the replies - I'll try all of this tonight and see whether I have any joy. Will keep you posted.

Dave

p.s. What does APN stand for (let me guess it is either rather obvious

or I won't understand the answer....)

02-09-05, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by davidhughes999

Thanks for the replies - I'll try all of this tonight and see whether I have any joy. Will keep you posted.

Dave

p.s. What does APN stand for (let me guess it is either rather obvious

or I won't understand the answer....)

I believe APN is access point number or name.

On your k700i if you go through - menu, connectivity, dat comm., data accounts then highlight the internet one and chose 'more' then account info, it should say the APN number (k700i calls it 'External ID' - this is the number you use : ie APN 4 = dialling *99***4#

rabdo

davidhughes999 · 02-09-05, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by rabdo

I believe APN is access point number or name.

On your k700i if you go through - menu, connectivity, dat comm., data accounts then highlight the internet one and chose 'more' then account info, it should say the APN number (k700i calls it 'External ID' - this is the number you use : ie APN 4 = dialling *99***4#

rabdo

Success - sort of...

In pursuit of the truth (and to help anyone else) here goes

First I tried the revised dial string i.e *99***1 instead of the generic *99# (having checked on the phone that it was indeed APN 1. No effect - same result as described above.

Next I removed the advanced dial string that vodafone recommend (+cdgcont=1,"ip,"internet") and replaced it with z as suggested.

This time the phone woke up, announced it was connecting to GPRS and the connection became active in BT manager on the Axim. Connection is showing at five green blobs. :)

However that is where it stopped. PIE wouldn't browse (just sat there) and mail wouldn't connect and eventually timed out.

Having got this far I guess it must be something with the settings at the vodafone end i.e. it's letting me connect to GPRS but there is some access problem.

In the spirit of experimentation I also tried changing the number back to the generic *99#. It still got as far but then refused to do anything.

Finally because vodafone recommend changing your stop bits to 2, I tried them at 1, 1.5 and 2 - all had absolutely no effect (unsurprising as I think this is only relevant for a cable connection not BT).

I also tried it with and without a log in and password - again had no effect (i.e. got so far and sulked)

The saga continues....

Not being an expert in this, I am guessing the extra dial string commands vodafone suggest point towards APN 1 (+cdgcont=1). What does the 'z' do ?

Thanks for you help - getting there!

Dave

02-09-05, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by davidhughes999

Success - sort of...

In pursuit of the truth (and to help anyone else) here goes

First I tried the revised dial string i.e *99***1 instead of the generic *99# (having checked on the phone that it was indeed APN 1. No effect - same result as described above.

Next I removed the advanced dial string that vodafone recommend (+cdgcont=1,"ip,"internet") and replaced it with z as suggested.

This time the phone woke up, announced it was connecting to GPRS and the connection became active in BT manager on the Axim. Connection is showing at five green blobs. :)

However that is where it stopped. PIE wouldn't browse (just sat there) and mail wouldn't connect and eventually timed out.

Having got this far I guess it must be something with the settings at the vodafone end i.e. it's letting me connect to GPRS but there is some access problem.

In the spirit of experimentation I also tried changing the number back to the generic *99#. It still got as far but then refused to do anything.

Finally because vodafone recommend changing your stop bits to 2, I tried them at 1, 1.5 and 2 - all had absolutely no effect (unsurprising as I think this is only relevant for a cable connection not BT).

I also tried it with and without a log in and password - again had no effect (i.e. got so far and sulked)

The saga continues....

Not being an expert in this, I am guessing the extra dial string commands vodafone suggest point towards APN 1 (+cdgcont=1). What does the 'z' do ?

Thanks for you help - getting there!

Dave

The 'z' fixes a bug with the k700i. It just tells the k700i modem to reset itself to default settings before it attempts to dial. I found out about it in a k700i forum - can't remember where though. You could try putting both extra dial strings in - just make sure z is first because it resets the modem.

Rabdo

davidhughes999 · 02-09-05, 01:47 PM

Success! :cheers:

For those suffering similar - here's what I did (mainly related to the phone not the Axim).

Under connectivity/data comms/data accounts created a new account. Set up this up as apn: internet, usename:web, password:web. Saved that. Back to data accounts, select more. This gives an apn number for the new service (3 in my case).

Flip to Axim, change dial number to *99***3# and left the extra dial string as 'z'.

Hey presto it worked

It seems that just creating a brand new access point was the trick and ignoring the preconfigured internet access points.

Thanks to everyone for their help on this :approve: - hope this explanation helps if anyone else is having similar trouble.

Dave

RDerriman · 02-10-05, 12:39 PM

I've been struggling with the same issues, and have just fixed it without the extra string. :) I'm using a Nokia 6310i and an Axim X50v.

After about half a dozen calls to Vodafone they emailed me the set-up actions for an IPAQ and told me to delete all existing connections between the phone and the Axim before starting. Well I thought I knew better and tried to modify the existing phone settings. Guess what, it didn't work! It was only when I set up new that the the whole thing finally worked and bloomin quick too. :)The instructions I was sent are pasted in below for anyone else to use.

GPRS Internet Access Service Set-up Guide

Nokia 6310I Data Account

Main Menu
Select Services
Select Settings
Select Active service settings
Select an empty profile
Arrow down
Select Edit active service settings
Arrow down
Settings name enter Internet
Arrow down
Homepage - (blank)
Arrow down
Session mode - Temporary
Arrow down
Connection security - Off
Arrow down
Data Bearer - GPRS
Arrow down
GPRS connection - When needed
Arrow down
GPRS access point enter internet (lower case)
Arrow down
IP address - (blank)
Arrow down
Authentication type - Normal
Arrow down
Login type - Automatic
Arrow down
User name enter web (lower case)
Password enter web (Lower case)
Verify password

Step two

Menu
Select Settings
GPRS modem settings - select
Select Active access point
Activate an empty profile
Select Edit active access point
Alias for access point enter internet
OK
Edit GPRS access point and enter internet (lower case)

Activating Bluetooth on handset

Menu
Scroll to Bluetooth and Select
Ensure Bluetooth is on.
Press back several times to return to main menu.

Creating a connection from the iPAQ

Tap Start > Settings > Connections > Connections icon
Tap Add a new modem connection
Enter a name for the connection i.e. GPRS Internet
Select Bluetooth Dialup Modem from the drop down box
Tap Next
Tap Use dialling Rules
Uncheck the box marked ‘Use Dialling Rules’
Tap OK in top right corner
Enter Phone number *99#
Tap Next
Tap Advanced
Set Baud rate to 57600
Untick Wait for dial tone
In the Extra dial-string modem command enter +cgdcont=1,”ip”,”internet”
Tap on the port settings tab at the bottom of the screen.
Set the stop bits to 2
Tap OK in top right corner
Enter User name – web
Enter Password – web
Leave domain blank
Tap Finish
Tap OK until you return to the start screen.
Select Bluetooth icon in the bottom right corner (If not located here will be found in start menu)
Ensure Bluetooth is on
Select Bluetooth Manager
Tap New > Connect in the bottom left corner.
Tap Connect to the Internet (second option).
Tap Next
Tap Connect via a dial-up device such as a cellular phone (second option)
Tap Next
Tap on <No device selected>
Once your phone has been found by the iPAQ, you will then see an icon.
Tap on the icon, you will then see a window that says discovering device.
When the window has closed, tick ‘Create a shortcut for this connection’
Tap Finish
On the following page you should see ‘Select a connection you want to use’ below will be a list of the connections that you have set up already, eg: New Connection, GPRS Internet
Tap and hold on the one you created, eg: GPRS Internet
Select connect.
At this point the iPAQ will search for the device, the phone might then prompt you for a Bluetooth passcode – Enter any four digits
The iPAQ might now prompt for the same passcode – Enter the same four digits
Goto the internet explorer and Tap view (at bottom of the page) select address bar if you don’t see it already, and enter an HTTP address.

Data Support Advisor
Technical Customer Services

( 08700 700 191
* vodafonedatahelpdesk@vf.vodafone.co.uk
: http://www.vodafone.co.uk
: http://www.business.vodafone.com

Registered office:
Vodafone Ltd
Vodafone House
The Connection
Newbury
Berkshire
RG14 2FN

02-10-05, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by davidhughes999

Success! :cheers:

For those suffering similar - here's what I did (mainly related to the phone not the Axim).

Under connectivity/data comms/data accounts created a new account. Set up this up as apn: internet, usename:web, password:web. Saved that. Back to data accounts, select more. This gives an apn number for the new service (3 in my case).

Flip to Axim, change dial number to *99***3# and left the extra dial string as 'z'.

Hey presto it worked

It seems that just creating a brand new access point was the trick and ignoring the preconfigured internet access points.

Thanks to everyone for their help on this :approve: - hope this explanation helps if anyone else is having similar trouble.

Dave

Yes, of course

- sorry, I forgot to say that I also created a new data account - that's why mine was APN 4 - glad to see it is working for you now :approve:

rabdo

davidhughes999 · 02-11-05, 03:36 AM

Well I knew if I tried enough combinations I'd get there - a new account was just further down the list!

Thanks

Dave

**Martin** · 02-11-05, 04:48 AM

Ok guys, so we don't lose this I'm merging it with the Using your BT phone as a Modem thread; if more people want to post with the settings as to their particular phone and network then that's fine.