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Old 07-07-05, 06:14 AM   #16 (permalink)
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If you have a WiFi network and you don't want other people using it, then it is your responsibility to encrypt it. I can't fathom how using this unprotected signal while passing through is a crime. If you encrypt the signal and someone STILL hacks in somehow, then that's a felony.

It's like leaving a $20 bill on the sidewalk in front of your house and calling the cops when someone picks it up...
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Originally Posted by Rrrockhound
So basically, if you don't know how to set up encryption, or if your 10 year old disables it without your knowledge, you're just SOL, is that it? And I suppose if you forget to lock your door, people have the right to walk through your house? And anyway, it's not about the "free" radio waves, it's about the internet access, which isn't free.
The government is not responsible for watching what your 10 year old does on your computer. The responsibility is 100% yours! Do not leave your child unattended if he/she will do such dangerous things like disabling WEP encryption.

Now for the adults out there that don't know how to set up WEP encryption... call customer service. They can and will walk you through setting up your router with WEP encryption. This is your responsibility and no one else's. If you find a simple phone call too difficult to make than perhaps wireless is not for you.
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Old 07-07-05, 07:17 AM   #18 (permalink)
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in the Army I was taught that is someone leaves their locker unlocked, they are inviting theives.

You should have your crap locked and this wouldn't be an issue. Leaving yourself open is inviting 'trouble' and you both should get charged.

Locked, even with WEP is simple to do, and if you are spending the money to install it, then you are responsible for it's configuration. Then someone would have had to 'hack' the connection and can't use the, "I was just driving by" defense
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Old 07-07-05, 07:36 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I agree with many others above. You want to secure yours, better not to show to others. It's in fact suprising there's tons of people out there who still have factory SSID or WEP not enabled.
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Old 07-07-05, 08:03 AM   #20 (permalink)
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What about "if it isn't yours don't take it". If I leave my house door open and someone walk in and sit in my living room for a few hours and then leave. Nothing was stolen or really wrong except trespassing, is it ok? Signal is a signal you use a device that your have purchase to access a signal. If you can get a device that pick up FBI communications signal is it right to listen or read the information. If you get caught it is jail time. You know that it is wrong but because your neighbor isn't going to arrest you it is OK. Same as driving a 100 miles per hour (160KMPH) if you don't get caught you are OK but if you do it is a big fine for you. If you are trying to convince others here that it is OK maybe you are just trying to convice yourself that it is OK when you know it isn't. My 2 buck
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Old 07-07-05, 08:11 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I completely disagree that this is a third degree felony. I think the person charged should get off because of "entrapment". Basically the person who set up the wifi network should know it is based on FREE radio waves and should have the knowledge to encrypt his network. The guy who accessed his network was using free unencrypted radio waves nothing else. Personally if he had HACKED into the system, I would say go to jail, BUT, if you are capable of setting up the network, then encrypting it isn't that complicated. It's a no brainer, supposed "victim" get a clue.
So if you leave your front door to your house unlocked and someone walks in and steals your stuff, was no crime committed because you forgot to lock your house?

Get a clue kid. Stealing is stealing. There is no fine line. It's actually pretty simple to understand. Now I may not agree with the stiff penalty, but it is a crime nonetheless!
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Originally Posted by qbzonk
So if you leave your front door to your house unlocked and someone walks in and steals your stuff, was no crime committed because you forgot to lock your house?

Get a clue kid. Stealing is stealing. There is no fine line. It's actually pretty simple to understand. Now I may not agree with the stiff penalty, but it is a crime nonetheless!
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Old 07-07-05, 09:23 AM   #23 (permalink)
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If you leave your wifi unencrypted and someone uses it but they are not physically on your property it is your own fault. Ignorance is no excuse. It is not stealing if you give it away. The isp should charge you double your rate for letting others piggyback. You made your service accessible to others they didnt so its your responsiblity to keep it secure if you dont want to share it.
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Old 07-07-05, 10:26 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I don't understand where this radio wave free for all idea is coming from.

The law decides what is free and what is not. Most places have legally ruled that this particular use of radio waves is not legal, end of story.

Sure your'e an idiot if you leave your car unlocked, but the guy that gets in it still gets arrested!
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Old 07-07-05, 10:33 AM   #25 (permalink)
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If you leave your wifi unencrypted and someone uses it but they are not physically on your property it is your own fault. Ignorance is no excuse. It is not stealing if you give it away. The isp should charge you double your rate for letting others piggyback. You made your service accessible to others they didnt so its your responsiblity to keep it secure if you dont want to share it.
You're still not getting it are you? Not long ago people figured out a way to receive Direct Tv and Dishnetowrk satellite broadcasts for free by opening up the smart card and telling it to accept the satellite signal beamed into their yard.

Sure the signal was there for all to have, but only paying subscribers were legally able to view TV, but people got smart and figured out a way to pirate this signal and receive TV for free. This is most definately illegal and enough people have goine to jail for it to prove it.

Yes the signal is being broadcast all over, but that doesn't give you the right to steal it. Stealing is stealing what is so hard to understand about that?

If it's no big deal, then why don't you people who don't see it as a problem turn off your WEP and let others enjoy what you think is OK to share?????
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Old 07-07-05, 10:40 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Frenchy
What about "if it isn't yours don't take it". If I leave my house door open and someone walk in and sit in my living room for a few hours and then leave. Nothing was stolen or really wrong except trespassing, is it ok? Signal is a signal you use a device that your have purchase to access a signal. If you can get a device that pick up FBI communications signal is it right to listen or read the information. If you get caught it is jail time. You know that it is wrong but because your neighbor isn't going to arrest you it is OK. Same as driving a 100 miles per hour (160KMPH) if you don't get caught you are OK but if you do it is a big fine for you. If you are trying to convince others here that it is OK maybe you are just trying to convice yourself that it is OK when you know it isn't. My 2 buck
I disagree. Leaving your router wide open is like leaving a tray of cookies on your front lawn next to the sidewalk. Some people would assume that you were providing a free service to the community. Others would leave them alone because they would consider it stealing. Some people actually leave the routers open because they believe in their heart of hearts that the internet should be free for everybody.

The problem here is that the Feds haven't figured out appropriate guidelines for what is and is not 'stealing' in terms of Wifi.
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Old 07-07-05, 10:43 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by BoogerFace
I disagree. Leaving your router wide open is like leaving a tray of cookies on your front lawn next to the sidewalk. Some people would assume that you were providing a free service to the community. Others would leave them alone because they would consider it stealing. Some people actually leave the routers open because they believe in their heart of hearts that the internet should be free for everybody.

The problem here is that the Feds haven't figured out appropriate guidelines for what is and is not 'stealing' in terms of Wifi.
If you have your cookies inside, but have a window open, or only have 2 double bolts on or your doors, and don't have biometric scanning systems, and a triple encoded 128bit biscuit barrel... then you deserve to have them stolen because some people might assume that it was ok.
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Old 07-07-05, 10:43 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by robertrock
Here is a interesting story on WiFi wardriving.

This guy in St. Petersburg,Fla was sitting in his SUV using someone's access point. What a bold SOB Third-degree felony for him.:approve:
I'll bet the network owner renames his 'linksys' network and turns on WEP now.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/...ts_wi_fi_theft
the guy in the suv, must have panicked, first thing , you never tell a cop,

your up to no good, ask for a lawyer.

once in court, (if he get a descent lawyer) he hould claim that he was invited into this network.

didnt hack an access into this network.

and the wifi router by default sends out a signal to invites connections...

he could blamed the owner for not protecting his network.

or

he could blame the router vendor for a badly design seurity software (read WEP WPK)...


but the culprit readily admited to the cop, thats was his big mistake
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Old 07-07-05, 10:47 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by qbzonk
You're still not getting it are you? Not long ago people figured out a way to receive Direct Tv and Dishnetowrk satellite broadcasts for free by opening up the smart card and telling it to accept the satellite signal beamed into their yard.

Sure the signal was there for all to have, but only paying subscribers were legally able to view TV, but people got smart and figured out a way to pirate this signal and receive TV for free. This is most definately illegal and enough people have goine to jail for it to prove it.

Yes the signal is being broadcast all over, but that doesn't give you the right to steal it. Stealing is stealing what is so hard to understand about that?

If it's no big deal, then why don't you people who don't see it as a problem turn off your WEP and let others enjoy what you think is OK to share?????
Your final comment points to the only grey area I see here; there is no way to tell (correct me if I'm wrong, which I may be) if someone is offering a free signal, vs. accidentally leaving "the door" unlocked, which is how people are justifying the use of unencrypted signals (I don't believe anyone here is openly advocating hacking a signal)?
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Old 07-07-05, 10:53 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I have a wireless network, but can't enrypt it with a closed code because then my PSP won't connect. I don't mind if someone logs on becaue all my devices are static o one subnet, and people looking for free wireless internet will use the DHCP and not try to get to the other my subnet. I consider this security enough.
Im all for if you can get on (without hacking) you can use the connection.
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