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Old 07-07-05, 10:56 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by psionandy
If you have your cookies inside, but have a window open, or only have 2 double bolts on or your doors, and don't have biometric scanning systems, and a triple encoded 128bit biscuit barrel... then you deserve to have them stolen because some people might assume that it was ok.
I don't think that it is really that complicated. For example, I frequently leave old unwanted furniture on the curb and it usually disappears within a couple of hours in my neighborhood. I know this ahead of time and it actually saves me a trip to the dump. If I left my Wifi wide open, I would expect that others would use it as they please.
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Old 07-07-05, 10:59 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by BoogerFace
I don't think that it is really that complicated. For example, I frequently leave old unwanted furniture on the curb and it usually disappears within a couple of hours in my neighborhood. I know this ahead of time and it actually saves me a trip to the dump. If I left my Wifi wide open, I would expect that others would use it as they please.
Actually in the UK leaving unwanted furiture on the curb would be considered ilegal! And there have even been prosecutions against people taking stuff from dustbins and mini-skips!
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Old 07-07-05, 11:11 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I guess we can go on and on with the legalities and morality of this topic forever, but in todays new high tech age, we may need to make some laws to protect things we never thought needed protecting.

I guess a good thing to impart in the firmware of wireless LANs would be to have the ability to set-up a friendly open network. This would somehow enable those surfing for a WiFi point could find a few points, but then have some sort of icon that denotes that this WiFi hot spot is user friendly and doesn't mind if you jump on for a while.

That way those who want to share can do so without worry and those who do not want to share can feel more secure.

Yes if you don't want to share you should enable WEP, but not everyone is that apt at setting it up (yes it's easy, but not for everyone).

At least this way users who are searching for a WiFI point could find ones that they know they don't have to worry about getting in trouble for using.

Just my $0.02. BTW I have my WEP enabled.
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Old 07-07-05, 11:12 AM   #34 (permalink)
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as i see it, the guy in the suv was doing something wrong. i mean, it's not like he was in a public place (or even on his own property) and stumbled upon an open network. he went LOOKING for one, then sat in front on someone's house to use it. i have wiresless DSL (with WEP encryption), and every computer that uses my connection goes through a gateway, and has the same IP address. if someone used my network to, say, download illegal files, MY ip address would be linked to that.

I know encrypting your wifi is the smart thing to do, but when i got my gateway, i was NOT told by verizon how to set up encryption. i had to do alot of research into the gateway, before i found the way to do it (i had to access it directly via the internet using an ip address and my verizon account). also, most people don't know alot about wifi...they don't realize that someone could be doing this.

i don't blame the person who was "robbed of bandwidth." i know alot of people here don't agree on that matter, but i think we can ALL agree that dsl/broadband/router companies should be more vigilant in teaching their customers how to encrypt a network. better yet, they could have the encryption already set up, and just give the user the password! i work in tech support, so i know that sometimes taking responsibility away from the user (when they don't understand the situation) is the safest way to go.
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Old 07-07-05, 11:17 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by CheapAxim
I completely disagree that this is a third degree felony. I think the person charged should get off because of "entrapment". Basically the person who set up the wifi network should know it is based on FREE radio waves and should have the knowledge to encrypt his network. The guy who accessed his network was using free unencrypted radio waves nothing else. Personally if he had HACKED into the system, I would say go to jail, BUT, if you are capable of setting up the network, then encrypting it isn't that complicated. It's a no brainer, supposed "victim" get a clue.
I agree that the radio waves are free to receive but when you access the router you have an issue. It has never been said that you cannot recieve the radio waves. I will let you recieve the radio waves all day just do not acces my equipment. You do not have permission. I own it you do not. You are then stealing my electricity, equipment and internet service. Also, what you are saying is that if you do not lock you door to the house I can walk in use the bathroom then leave.
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Old 07-07-05, 11:23 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Puhleaze! Go after some real criminals. Many people purposely leave their Wi-Fi accessible so that their internet connection can be shared. I never think twice about connecting to an open Wi-Fi network. I guess I'm evil.

Also, I notice many people here refer to using WEP instead of WPA. Why is that?
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Old 07-07-05, 11:27 AM   #37 (permalink)
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You have to keep in mind he was on public Property (the Street) and the Router probobly asked him if he wanted to join and proceded to let him in.
Its like if you were standing at your door saying anyone want to use my bathroom, but theyd have to ask you first and you would (out of the goodness of your heart) always say yes. If he hacked in it's another story though. Its like knocing down your door to get in and you say No but he does it any way.
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Old 07-07-05, 11:30 AM   #38 (permalink)
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You could always do MAC filtering instead of WEP and WPA. All are easy to implement on the Netgear, Linksys and others like them. Its just a matter of click the bubble "Yes I Want WEP encryption"
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Old 07-07-05, 01:03 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by rdehavenl
You have to keep in mind he was on public Property (the Street) and the Router probobly asked him if he wanted to join and proceded to let him in.
Its like if you were standing at your door saying anyone want to use my bathroom, but theyd have to ask you first and you would (out of the goodness of your heart) always say yes. If he hacked in it's another story though. Its like knocing down your door to get in and you say No but he does it any way.
And that is what it comes down to... Public property in the us... You can take anything that someone disgards because it becomes public domain, there is no way you will be using those radio waves again, they just keep traveling out... You have disgarded them and they are public domain, If you are sooo worried about bandwidth get a 802.11 a router, It uses restricted airwaves that you need an fcc license to use.
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Old 07-07-05, 02:16 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Old 07-07-05, 02:43 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by FBL
Using my X50v, I make it a point to try to connect while waiting in the car for my wife, to see what WiFi points are around.
I do this too. Anywhere I'm waiting for awhile, I either play a game or try and connect. I can drive through my community and find a dozen open connections.

The only 2 I can see from my house are encrypted.
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Old 07-07-05, 04:51 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by qbzonk
You're still not getting it are you? Not long ago people figured out a way to receive Direct Tv and Dishnetowrk satellite broadcasts for free by opening up the smart card and telling it to accept the satellite signal beamed into their yard.

If it's no big deal, then why don't you people who don't see it as a problem turn off your WEP and let others enjoy what you think is OK to share?????

There is a major flaw in your argument..... sombody had to HACK the cards to get it to work and the users KNEW that they were hacked cards.
I did not HACK my X50..made no mods to my laptop. If the guy was sitting out there with some software trying to crack the encription key then HELL YES slap his rear in jail.

Just like if I am walking outside your house...you have the window open and the TV on facing the window. If I stand on the sidewalk and watch your TV I am not breaking any law. the cops would tell you to close your drapes! Now if I walked across your yard... opened your window and moved your drapes back... THEN I am breaking the law and should be locked up.

And I DID share my access at one point untill one of my neighbors got a nasty trojan and he was sending out spam thru my connection. Now, when I saw this happening, I did not call the cops... I simply turned on WEP, just like anybody else can do.
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Originally Posted by qbzonk
So if you leave your front door to your house unlocked and someone walks in and steals your stuff, was no crime committed because you forgot to lock your house?

Get a clue kid. Stealing is stealing. There is no fine line. It's actually pretty simple to understand. Now I may not agree with the stiff penalty, but it is a crime nonetheless!
So during the summer I leave my door open and my neighbor can see my television and watches a show from their yard. Are they stealing cable? Should I call the cops because someone is watching my television? No, if it bothers me I will make it so that the light waves are not viewable from outside my home. IT is my responsibility to do the same with RF. Make them inaccessible if you don't want to share.
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Old 07-07-05, 05:34 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by qbzonk
So if you leave your front door to your house unlocked and someone walks in and steals your stuff, was no crime committed because you forgot to lock your house?

Get a clue kid. Stealing is stealing. There is no fine line. It's actually pretty simple to understand. Now I may not agree with the stiff penalty, but it is a crime nonetheless!
Also, there is another difference. If someone came into your house locked or unlocked you would be able to shoot them in self defense. Not that many questions would be asked. Now, what do you suppose would have happened if this homeowner had shot this person for using his internet connection? Somehow, I think even the law sees a difference here.
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