First off, I'd like to say that those people (especially people who never bought the WM 2003 upgrade) who are trying to flash from PPC 2002 to 2003 using the ROM update are essentially installing illegal software, and in a matter of speaking you are abusing Dell's trust when it comes to offering a downloadable copy of the patch.
Microsoft actually licences a copy of the PPC OS, be it 2002 or 2003 to each Axim (and thus each Axim owner). The reason you pay for the 2003 upgrade is that you are essentially paying for a upgrade license, as you would when you upgrade from Windows Me to XP for example. If people manage to get this update to update PPC 2002 machines to WM 2003, I'm assuming that Dell would get in some hot water with Microsoft. Dell would most likely decide not to distribute future updates in this form, in other words, if a situation similar to this were to happen in the future, people would probably have to wait for patch CDs instead. Or even worse, they would decide to pull this update now in favor of mailing CDs out. In the end, chances are that you will only be hurting other Axim owners like yourselves in the future.
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On the other hand, I'm wondering what the common thread is between all of the Axim users experiencing the freeze-up issue when they are trying to upgrade thier Axims. When considering the fact that the symptoms seem to be identical in each case. I think that there is some element in your setups' that is conflicting with the upgrade process. I think that at this point it is important to figure out if this is a problem on the PC end, or the Axim end.
Are you guys using virus scanners? are they enabled? Are you using McAfee for the Axim, is it enabled? Were you having ActiveSync issues before with large files? Did you use built-in storage? Are you using a USB hub? What model Axim do you guys have? I'm thinking that somewhere along the line something is obviously preventing the transfer from starting. I think that if all of you focus on finding out what aspect of your setups are similar/dissimilar, you will be able to narrow it down and figure out what the cause of the problem is.
I totally agree with what ajabbari is saying, those of you who are using the upgrade on 2002 machines are jeapordising us 2003 owners from actually getting our machines to work properly. You guys dont have any of the problems we are experiencing at the moment. Ive been constantly looking on the Dell website to find the update to no avail as yet, though I have downloaded it from Dell's FTP, I am not willing to risk using it.
Why can't you just wait for your upgrade cd's to arrive ? What you are doing IS piracy, no matter how you look at it.
Maybe I could also be accused of downloading illegaly as this update hasnt been made "publically available" yet on the website ? I dont know. BUT, if I end up having to fork out for a CD from Dell because you 2002 owners have pissed Dell off by downloading it, I wont be a happy chappy !
Slinger, I think that if you are a WM 2003 Axim owner and you have downloaded the patch from the ftp site then you are perfectly within your rights to do so as ultimatly posting it up officially or unofficially is Dell's responsibility. You are technically licensed for 2003 and so all is well. I would wait for the official posting though only so that you're sure you won't be dealing with any pre-release installers (though the probability of that is very small).
But people trying to go from 2002 -> 2003 should not be doing what they are doing. What I find even more interesting is that you guys are discussing this stuff publicly on this forum. This is analogous to talking about pirating Windows XP (for example) on this forum.
But why would someone with a stable, licensed copy of PPC2002 want to "upgrade" to an unstable, under-supported, driver-less WM2003 with a semi-official unannounced beta ROM patch anyway? Seems like maddness. I'd quite happily accept a "downgrade" from Dell to PPC2002 to sort out the driver problems I have with my BT and wi-fi CF cards.
I applied this beta release ROM A04->A05 update to try and get a head-start on testing and benchmarks, and see what specific performance issues were addressed. It looks like the memory drivers have been "tweaked" so the overall perfomance has improved, SD and CF access isn't much better, but I assume that this will be addressed in full release.
I'm also kind of pissed at these people, they should not be upgrading their PPC2002, without paying, especially since they were not experiencing problems. I had to do it in mine (2003) because my 30 days satisfaction period was expiring, so I needed to take a fast look to see if the update was really worth it, and so far it is.
Originally posted by mpbarron I agree with you two.
But why would someone with a stable, licensed copy of PPC2002 want to "upgrade" to an unstable, under-supported, driver-less WM2003 with a semi-official unannounced beta ROM patch anyway? Seems like maddness. .
I can't speak for everybody (yet) But I'll sure the heck speak for me....
Intellectual curiosity, plain and simple. If I got it to load, would I keep on there? Probably not. Doesn't stop me from being insanely curious as to whether or not I have the technical ability to make it work. Is it a risk to my AXIM? You bet. So what. Risk has always been the price for reward.
Why do people try to climb Mt. Everest when they know they are risking life and limb just to climb a big pile of rocks? Just to see if they can do it? You bet. I'd never do it, because I think it is an unwarranted risk. Almost "maddness',' as you put it.
But, I fully understand their drive and desire to try to accomplish something monumental, just to see if it can be done. And I applaud them for it. I don't sit back and judge them because I don't agree with what they are doing.
Be it mental or physical, the drive is the same...
I overclock my PCs and my Axim. I soup up my cars and jetskis, my lawnmower, my leafblower, my Wireless Access Point... just to see if it can be done. I take apart just about everything I own to see if it can be improved. Have I ruined lots of stuff in the process? You bet. Regret it? Never.
Face it... you owe your PC, your Axim and most of your tech gadgets to the breed of engineers and developers who are always looking to push the envelope, instead of playing it safe.
As for those of you you are saying that "We are jepordizing your ability to upgrade".... that's the biggest load of paranoid self-righteous clap-trap I have heard in a long time. I was laughing as I read it until I saw you were serious.
It's a PDA. Don't act like it is some kind of heart-lung machine. Chill out, you'll live much longer.
I guess I'm lost over this....how is it possible for someone with a 2002 Axim to perform the update patch for Axim owners who have 2003? I know this comment probably sounds stupid but I thought the patch would only work if you already have 2003 installed on your Axim.
It's not... a few of us curious engineer types tried it, just to see if it could be done. Of course, I've have *legally* ordered the upgrade CD, but I couldn't resist seeing if I could get the upgrade to take.
But... I won't discuss this anymore as we have some really uptight people in this thread who are apparently perfect, as they have lots of room to point out what they perceive to be sin in others.
Has anybody thought about the fact that if Dell posts this upgrade on their website -- and if, as it appears, it will upgrade a PPC2002 machine to WM2003 FOR FREE -- why would anyone pay for the WM2003 Upgrade CD?
Which is a roundabout way of wondering whether Dell will actually post this upgrade for general distribution or whether (as seems more likely) they're going to make it available on a case-by-case basis.
Originally posted by XKalibuR I dont want to wait another month and a half for my stupid upgrade cd, i want faster WM2003 now and since i already ordered the cd whats the problem..
Edited: Please don't discuss (even generally) how you attempted to hack the upgrade. Thanks. --deftech
Now i'll go stare at the lovely Dell boot screen that my Axim is hung on... :crooked: lol
I ordered and paid for my upgrade CD on 06/25/03. That was 5 weeks ago and it looks like I will have to wait another 4 weeks for it! Now would I be wrong downloading it and installing on my Axim w/2002 seeing that I have already paid in good faith but DELL hasn't supplied as promised?
I will not download it because I don't want to be one of the people that get blamed/flamed when DELL pulls it because people are downloading it that shouldn't be.
As for those of you you are saying that "We are jepordizing your ability to upgrade".... that's the biggest load of paranoid self-righteous clap-trap I have heard in a long time. I was laughing as I read it until I saw you were serious.
Well "Mr Intellectual", you may have paid for an upgrade CD, and a round of applause to you sir, but how many people do you think are going to read all the instructions put on this forum on how to install it to ppc2002 to gain themselves a "FREE" upgrade to 2003 ? Think about it ! ;)
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But... I won't discuss this anymore as we have some really uptight people in this thread who are apparently perfect, as they have lots of room to point out what they perceive to be sin in others.
NO, I aint perfect and have never claimed to be, BUT, I do despise software piracy, thanks to those **** I now have to pay a lot more for my software, music, films than I did before. So in future before you come out with your ****, try engaging your brain !!!!!
Originally posted by dtgrdn I will not download it because I don't want to be one of the people that get blamed/flamed when DELL pulls it because people are downloading it that shouldn't be.
I rest my case, its good to see someone that has morals on here ! :D
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