rock99rock

If one was to obtain said patch for AO4 to AO5, what are the exact procedures for backing up and applying? thanks in advance - Rock

cageyjames

If I were you I would not do it. I've heard from Dell that it wasn't meant for public release and that there are issues with it on most Axims. There is no going back on these ROM updates. I'd wait for the update otherwise you are going to be sending your Axim back to Dell for repair. :rolling: That patch was not meant for public consumption and was not tested as such.

rock99rock

i understand, and thank you for your concern... but has not every axim x5 basic applied the patch successfully according to the thread containg the "poll of successfullness"? i understand the risk, but can you smell my anticipation? i think i have to mail it next day air tomorrow (monday) if i dont get the patch because thats when my 30 days are up. so its a win/win situation. if it works i keep it, if it doesnt i send them back something crappier than i received, no charge with a small "heh" that i think to myself. then ill just order another new one with the patch already on it....

cageyjames

I'm just letting you know that people at Dell are telling me NOT to install the patch because there is some sort of error. I guess go for it if you wish, but at least it works now.

humba

james: 2 days ago you told me that you had no information the patch was bugged (http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showt...&pagenumber=15), have you received new information in the meantime?

As for the not meant for public release, there've been several stories on news sites on the web saying that it was an official release and that the html docs just hadn't been updated yet, and then they discovered that the patch could be abused and pulled it. (here's an example of such a story: http://www.brighthand.com/article/Ha...se_of_Axim_Fix).

JmE

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Originally posted by star50fiveoh . . It ain't Official, 'til Dell tags it Official.........and it wasn't while it was on the FTP Server.

I beg to differ. I have seen posts from a person or two (I think on Dell's forum) that said the patch appeared in the upgrades for Axim on their support site. Not just under the FTP, but under the little click down menus. It dissapeared with 15 to 30 minutes I believe. I just read this yesterday.

There was also the user here on Aximsite that received an email from Dell telling them to apply the patch. SHortly after they recieved another email telling them not to.

-JmE-

VivienM

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Originally posted by cageyjames If I were you I would not do it. I've heard from Dell that it wasn't meant for public release and that there are issues with it on most Axims. There is no going back on these ROM updates. I'd wait for the update otherwise you are going to be sending your Axim back to Dell for repair. :rolling: That patch was not meant for public consumption and was not tested as such.

I think the "issues" are exaggerated. For those of us with the really slow WM2003, that patch is a massive improvement...

cageyjames

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Originally posted by humba james: 2 days ago you told me that you had no information the patch was bugged (http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showt...&pagenumber=15), have you received new information in the meantime?

From what I've heard is that there is nothing wrong with the patch, except for it is not designed for public consumption. I can't get my contact to tell me what that means. I guess it was for a specific purpose. The full release was to happen by now, but they now want to make sure no one can hack that one. That is the current wait right now, not to repair the patch. When they figure out how to do this, it will be released.

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As for the not meant for public release, there've been several stories on news sites on the web saying that it was an official release and that the html docs just hadn't been updated yet, and then they discovered that the patch could be abused and pulled it. (here's an example of such a story: http://www.brighthand.com/article/Ha...se_of_Axim_Fix).

I can't say, all I can tell you is what I've been told. Dell isn't talking offically so we will all just have to wait. What I am sure of is you DON'T want to install the patch that was on the site before.

cageyjames

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Originally posted by JmE [snip]

Do whatever you want, but the next release will be different than that one. I hope it will be an A06 release so those who did apply that patch can update.

cageyjames

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Originally posted by VivienM I think the "issues" are exaggerated. For those of us with the really slow WM2003, that patch is a massive improvement...

Thats fine. If you can get it working go right ahead. This forum is littered with people who couldn't get the patch to work or it crashed their PPC. You'll have to update again later this week so why bother at this point.

VivienM

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Originally posted by cageyjames Thats fine. If you can get it working go right ahead. This forum is littered with people who couldn't get the patch to work or it crashed their PPC. You'll have to update again later this week so why bother at this point.

The fixed patch will install a different revision of the firmware from the A05 in last week's patch?

cageyjames

I'm not sure, but if the A05 has changed, how would people who already have A05 install it? Thats why I would assume, IF there is a change, that it would have to be A06. If there wasn't, the setup would detect A05 and tell you that you already have the patch installed.

Make sense?

straittalk

Being a moderator doesn't make one automatically right. And, Cageyjames is wrong! Totally wrong! The update was officially on the US Dell site and was even on the US Download List on the download web page. That is exactly how I got it - not from the FTP site.

That makes it an "official" release at that time. The fact that it has been pulled from SOME sites now, but not others, is confusing at best.

For instance, the exact same english version is on still the Singapore FTP site, and is probably on others. Is it not then still an official release, as anyone can download it, and, assuming you are properly upgrading 2003 from A04 to A05, folllow Dell's instructions and try to install it? Sounds official to me.

It may not work, as is the case with AX and the 1/13 hang, but there is nothing that says it is unofficial and, to the contrary, it is still as official and as anything else they have released for any other Dell produc at any other time as no notices state otherwise.

It is not a requirement of all Axim users to read and follow all of one of this site's moderator's opinions on morality, legality, etc. Barring any other official direct communication from Dell to its registered owners (I have got nothing), the upgrade is still available and official. Cageyjames doesn't have authority to change that, nor should he be so arrogant to think that he does.

ST

VivienM

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Originally posted by cageyjames I'm not sure, but if the A05 has changed, how would people who already have A05 install it? Thats why I would assume, IF there is a change, that it would have to be A06. If there wasn't, the setup would detect A05 and tell you that you already have the patch installed. Make sense?

Yes, I agree... but... what if the only change they're doing is making the installer more tamperproof? In that case, the new installer would still install the same A05 ROM, and those who got A05 to work last time (or who got A05 on a new Axim) wouldn't need the new patch...

Jefefef

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Originally posted by straittalk Being a moderator doesn't make one automatically right. And, Cageyjames is wrong! Totally wrong! The update was officially on the US Dell site and was even on the US Download List on the download web page. That is exactly how I got it - not from the FTP site. That makes it an "official" release at that time. The fact that it has been pulled from SOME sites now, but not others, is confusing at best. For instance, the exact same english version is on still the Singapore FTP site, and is probably on others. Is it not then still an official release, as anyone can download it, and, assuming you are properly upgrading 2003 from A04 to A05, folllow Dell's instructions and try to install it? Sounds official to me. It may not work, as is the case with AX and the 1/13 hang, but there is nothing that says it is unofficial and, to the contrary, it is still as official and as anything else they have released for any other Dell produc at any other time as no notices state otherwise. It is not a requirement of all Axim users to read and follow all of one of this site's moderator's opinions on morality, legality, etc. Barring any other official direct communication from Dell to its registered owners (I have got nothing), the upgrade is still available and official. Cageyjames doesn't have authority to change that, nor should he be so arrogant to think that he does. ST

That seems kind of harsh. Cageyjames was simply trying to help the users of the site he moderates. It's true that being a moderator doesn't make you automatically right. One of the possible reasons that Cageyjames is a moderator is because he does research on these issues and tries to help other people. You can never be sure of what information you have is correct or not.

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What I am sure of is you DON'T want to install the patch that was on the site before.

If you were told that by somebody working at Dell do you think you believe it? Cageyjames did and he is trying to help people.

As for following "all of one of this site's moderator's opinions on morality, legality, etc." This is true, however, all of the users of Aximsite do have to follow Chris's opinion on the legality side. This is his site and he decides what's against the rules. I don't think Cageyjames was trying to make the patch any less official.

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