cageyjames

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Originally posted by jeepfaned while you people are posting here,ill ask this: i have the x5 400 with 2002,i want to get the regular 2003 upgrade...i dont care about wm2003se.now if i buy the 2003 upgrade,is it safe to assume that the disk i buy will have all the bugs worked out on it and all the patches in order, so i dont have to come here or there and all over to hunt down patches and bug fixes?

No, you'll have to download the latest patch. It should have all the older patches on it.

jeepfaned

thanks,and where would i get the latest patch,on dell?
ive seen posts that dell doesnt even sell it anymore,do you know this to be true?

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as77

You know if you go to the Dell forums you will see that there are a lot of Axim owners there who don't even know Aximsite, not to mention Brighthand or anything like that. They will believe anything Dell-Rollie tells them. After all, he is a Dell employee, the site is Dell's website. Rollie said in early May that an upgrade would be offered. If that was false information, someone at Dell should have noticed this and should have corrected it. But no. It has not been corrected or withdrawn to this very day. It has been quoted in forums at several PPC related websites.

There are two possibilites. Either Dell indeed intended to offer an upgrade but then they changed their minds or someone disseminated false information and nobody corrected it. In either case, someone made a big mistake and Dell will lose many customers because of it.

And I don't think that just phlegmatically shrugging our shoulders, as some people seem to do, is an appropriate reaction to this.

wooch06

So then what do you suggest we do, jump on your conspiracy theory bandwagon and go after Dell? Start another petition? You're beating a dead horse, and if Dell loses some customers, they will. Life goes on, and we have to accept the fact the it will not be offered. Some folks will ditch them, some will not. It's your choice, but beating this dead horse isn't going to get the upgrade, it's done, finito, let it go . . .

as77

Exactly what is it that reminds you of a conspiracy theory in what I said? These are facts, man.

I'm tired of people who always react to any topic by saying that it's a dead horse. OK, if the topic is not interesting to you then don't post, don't even read the thread, easy. Nobody forces you to contribute or read.

It's exactly the phlegmatic, shoulder-shrugging, "whatever" people whose behavior encourages Dell to deny the upgrade from the customers. Because these people just sheepishly accept whatever Dell decides.

wooch06

You've got some issues . . .

nicor

Sorry I missed your thread. Maybe if a mod is reading could merge the two thread?

I agree that license is the biggest problem.
And I'd sasy everything stops there.
Unfortunatley.

Nico



EDIT by Gigi: Threads merged as per your request.

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as77

nicor,

this is not the thread I mentioned. I opened a thread titled "Can we build WM2003SE ourselves?" in the WM2003SE section.

cageyjames

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Originally posted by as77 someone at Dell should have noticed this and should have corrected it.

I think that just did with this announcement.

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There are two possibilites. Either Dell indeed intended to offer an upgrade but then they changed their minds or someone disseminated false information and nobody corrected it.

Or Dell-Rollie asked the wrong people?

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And I don't think that just phlegmatically shrugging our shoulders, as some people seem to do, is an appropriate reaction to this.

So go buy another PDA. The only way that Dell would listen is if people would buy another PDA. I argued this point last month and people said they didn't care. The Axim is at a price point people are willing to put up with this.

You can either bend over and take it, or leave. Dell is not going to offer the update.

as77

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Originally posted by cageyjames I think that just did with this announcement.

After more than two months... thanks. Quick reaction.

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Or Dell-Rollie asked the wrong people?

That's not different from what I said. Those "wrong people" disseminated false information.

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So go buy another PDA. The only way that Dell would listen is if people would buy another PDA.

Exactly. Sure I will not buy a Dell next time I want a new PDA. Which will not be anytime soon.

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I argued this point last month and people said they didn't care. The Axim is at a price point people are willing to put up with this.

We'll see how long.

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You can either bend over and take it, or leave. Dell is not going to offer the update.

If everyone just shrugs their shoulders and buys the X30 anyway then of course not. But I hope in the end Dell will learn a lesson like Toshiba did.

HP customers seem to be a lot madder. I find it interesting that Axim users don't seem to care as much. Looks like Dell's strategy will work on them.

cageyjames

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Originally posted by as77 HP customers seem to be a lot madder. I find it interesting that Axim users don't seem to care as much. Looks like Dell's strategy will work on them.

I think people are willing to forgive things like this on cheaper PDAs. I'm sure if Dell was selling 4 and 5 hundred dollar PPCs, there might be more uproar. I paid about $350 for my X5 when it came out, about $300 for my X3i. Today, Dell is selling them for even cheaper. Dell is just going for the low end of the market, and that is where we are.

I've tired to argue Dell needs to offer up more models with more options, but members he told me they just don't care.

pcdoctorca

For current non-VGA PPCs out there, especially X5, SE gives us, what, screen rotation and improvments in PIE? What else? This crowd apart, how usefull are those improvments to the general PPC population? Why would Dell spend development money on retro fitting an OS for PPCs that can't make use of most of the improvments?

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fearlessfozz

Another thing to keep in mind is that if we got WM2K3SE we will be suffering the bugs the x30 has.

At least us x5 users have a stable trusty platform to do work on.

I would like SE but I think, I will wait till an x5 replacement out. Or till this one dies.

wooch06

I agree fozz, don't forget about us X3 users who are perfectly happy with our Axims running WM 2003!! :) I like to wait a while before diving into a new OS, to give them some time to work the bugs out. I hear so many SE incompatibility stories, and the software vendors are trying to get their products tweaked for SE, but it just seems like one thing after another.

as77

Hey cageyjames,

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Originally posted by cageyjames Well beyond that, from the Terms of Service on the Community Forums... Quote: Dell is not responsible for content provided by any Dell employee... Although the Community Forum is moderated by Dell employees; it is intended only as a way for visitors to get answers from other visitors, and not to get answers from Dell. The Forum is not a substitute for contacting Dell support. Hence, whatever Dell-Rollie says is irrelevant...

I just noticed how terribly wrong you are and how you intentionally edited the text of the Terms of Service to take it out of context in order to argue your point. This is not what I would call an honest debating technique.

Actually what the Terms of Service states is this:

"Dell is not responsible for content provided by any Dell employee who is not designated as a Dell Forum Moderator. "

Now that's quite a bit different from what you quoted above! By omitting the second half of the sentence, you changed its meaning and you knew that! Dell-Rollie IS designated as a Dell Forum Moderator. In addition, the Terms of Service states:

"Only the Dell Forum Moderators are authorized representatives of Dell on the Community Forum. "

So, in sharp contrast to what you were claiming, Dell-Rollie IS an authorized representative of Dell and Dell IS responsible for what Dell-Rollie says. The Terms of Service also adds:

"Dell employees who are not assigned as Moderators are not authorized to represent themselves on the Forum as Dell employees, and do not provide official Dell responses to questions."

Which of course implies that Dell employees who ARE assigned as moderators DO provide official Dell responses to questions.

Therefore, when Dell-Rollie stated that Dell WILL offer WM2003SE for older Axim models, that was legally a fully OFFICIAL statement from Dell. You cannot explain this away by referring to the Terms of Service, unless you intentionally change the meaning of the text like you did.

So I rest my case.