Basically now they are plugged into your network just as if they had taken one of the wires out of your computer and put it into theirs. It really depends on what you share on your network (E.g the root of your C)
But who would be crazy enough to share the root directory? I have a share folder used to hold temporary data. I have a shared printer.
Now the router has a firewall with carefully selected ports open. Running Windows XP Pro (with firewall) with all the latest fixes.
Now can they still get to the other non-shared directories? Or, as someone pointed out earlier, the risk from someone breaking in and stealing my computer is a million times more likely?
Dont forget that by default XP Pro/Win 2K shares the root of the hard drives, but you need to be part of the administrator grop to get access. It is classified as an adminsitrative share, dont have weak passwords for those in the adminsitrators group!
If the directory is not shared (or the directory is not in the subfolder(s) for another share) then no one should be able to access it
The router/fw box provides no protection. It is protecting against poeple coming in from the Internet (untrusted), not people coming in from the (w)LAN (trusted).
The Windows XP firewall will help of course.
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If the directory is not shared (or the directory is not in the subfolder(s) for another share) then no one should be able to access it
Unless they use any of the other known exploits to gain access. But the XP firewall and a fully updated patched system is good defence here. Not water tight of course.
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With WiFiFum I first had sucess. I am now having some trouble. It never detects even my own network. I go to make it search but it is already searching, so i stop it and hit search again but it does not resolve my problem. So, what am i doing wrong?
With WiFiFum I first had sucess. I am now having some trouble. It never detects even my own network. I go to make it search but it is already searching, so i stop it and hit search again but it does not resolve my problem. So, what am i doing wrong?
Check to make sure it's using the correct device. Tools -> Device -> ODIM\TIACXWLN1 (that's mine)
So you counter with your own justification. "I share mine, and if I need to use someone's to extend my device's functionality so be it".
I'd love to hear you argue that in court.
Obviously your choice, but I wouldn't try that reasoning if you get caught. That next WiFi access you steal could be someone's honeypot.
yep, thats my justification :) . Were I charged I wouldn't challenge it, I would be fined or jailed and thats the risk I take. I never said it was moral but its what I'll do, and as long as your wifi is closed you've got nothing to worry about..
An asteroid will hit the earth before someone is brought to court because he surfed the web using a neighbor's open AP. (Excluding any other extraneous violations such as hacking or harrassment or denial of service or spam.) The U.S. is very litigious, but going to the trouble suing some poor web surfer is beyond stupid. Even Judge Judy would throw out that case.
An asteroid will hit the earth before someone is brought to court because he surfed the web using a neighbor's open AP.
I wouldn't be suprised if I got fined for surfing on someone elses AP, and I certainly wouldn't try and fight it. I'd just think of it as a wireless internet subscription fee I find it a little hard to believe that someone wouldn't use an open AP if they needed to check their email...
I wouldn't be suprised if I got fined for surfing on someone elses AP, and I certainly wouldn't try and fight it. I'd just think of it as a wireless internet subscription fee I find it a little hard to believe that someone wouldn't use an open AP if they needed to check their email...
Well hey, I'm not a perfect citizen or anything, but if I need to check my email I just use my BT phone and GPRS. I know of one case where someone sat with an open AP and logged the connection. The person was charged with theft of service or something like that.
*shrug*
Like you said, you wouldn't challenge it if you were caught. Same goes with me and a speeding ticket. I knew the max speed, I went over it, I got caught, now I must pay.
An asteroid will hit the earth before someone is brought to court because he surfed the web using a neighbor's open AP. (Excluding any other extraneous violations such as hacking or harrassment or denial of service or spam.) The U.S. is very litigious, but going to the trouble suing some poor web surfer is beyond stupid. Even Judge Judy would throw out that case.
I know many people who would take theft of service (if that's all you did) very seriously. Just about any business would.
I know of one case where someone sat with an open AP and logged the connection. The person was charged with theft of service or something like that.
I am fascinated by bizarre and counter-productive behavior that is possible the legal system, and I find this kind of stupidity fits the bill.
No offense meant but I am quite skeptical by nature. Do you have any links to news reports about this case? Because if that were true, the has to be something more:
Did this guy do anything more sinister than surf the web? Was he hacking into the system? Was it a recurring behavior and was he warned before? Did he use it to download pirated content?
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I know many people who would take theft of service (if that's all you did) very seriously. Just about any business would
I think this is illogical. A business who "takes it seriously" would not have any open access points. I find it absurd that someone with an open AP will respond to a random outside web surfer by suing them. This is why I think the scenario you described, while possible, is extremely improbable.
I can't say I agree with using others networks... Granted, everyone should secure them! I don't even bother with a WEP key, I just set it to allow only certain MAC addresses to connect, my two laptops, my lounge PC, and my handheld, lol...
So, you may see it as unsecured, but good luck connecting to it :)
I am fascinated by bizarre and counter-productive behavior that is possible the legal system, and I find this kind of stupidity fits the bill.
No offense meant but I am quite skeptical by nature. Do you have any links to news reports about this case? Because if that were true, the has to be something more:
Did this guy do anything more sinister than surf the web? Was he hacking into the system? Was it a recurring behavior and was he warned before? Did he use it to download pirated content?
Unfortunately, the Winnipeg Sun article linked from there had more detail about the WiFi he was stealing but it is no longer online. The Sun article had details about the person who owned the WiFi noticing the usage and CALLING the police. The police came to find the man in his car, with the laptop, in the act.
He was charged with possession of child pronography, and theft of communications.
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I think this is illogical. A business who "takes it seriously" would not have any open access points. I find it absurd that someone with an open AP will respond to a random outside web surfer by suing them. This is why I think the scenario you described, while possible, is extremely improbable.
Illogical? This happens all the time!
A perfect example of this is the US Government. While they would take any attempt to connect to their network VERY seriously, doesn't mean they have a handle on every entry point on their network, and would it really surprise you that a lazy sys admin would not properly secure an AP? The two points are not related IMO. The business can take any unauthorized access seriously, but they could still have some mind-blowing hole in their network.
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I find it a little hard to believe that someone wouldn't use an open AP if they needed to check their email... 
