Emulation of PPC on PC?

alto-pete · 12-04-05, 03:04 PM

This may turn out to be a dumb question but is there such a thing as an emulation of the PPC environment for PC? I'm paranoid about my X51v breaking down and losing stuff that I've built up in apps I've installed that don't have Windows versions or can't be sync'ed. Obviously my PIM is sync'ed with the PC but I use non-PC compatible software for other purposes and I'd like to be able to access data on the PC quickly if the X51v goes on the blink. This concern probably wouldn't have occurred to me had I not already had the problem on an X30 that simply went on the blink a while back and never woke up again. It took ages to reinstall everything on the new X51v and I had to struggle to get new codes for most of my apps first which was a real pain!!

Peter

Psykl0pz · 12-04-05, 11:00 PM

yes... microsoft releasees it with their windows mobile development kit... its free to download off microsoft.com

search for it on gogle...
you download the actual windows mobile rom images and u can run it off the emulator and you can test all pocket pc software out...

downloading the dev kit, rom images and emulator all adds up to several hundred megs by the way....

gillius · 12-04-05, 11:34 PM

I just got into PPC development finally today. It took me basically the whole day today to get MSVS 2005 and the SDKs set up. They do come with all of the emulators, and the emulators work just like the PDA. Everything has worked on the emulator until I tried my own app, and that did not work on the PDA but did work on my real device, and I'm not sure why... But I say that because the emulator may not be an exact enough environment for what you want to use it for. Also at this time I haven't seen any way to utilize the emulator outside of running it from within Visual Studio, and that product is not available for free.

Kazkin · 12-05-05, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by alto-pete

This may turn out to be a dumb question but is there such a thing as an emulation of the PPC environment for PC? I'm paranoid about my X51v breaking down and losing stuff that I've built up in apps I've installed that don't have Windows versions or can't be sync'ed. Obviously my PIM is sync'ed with the PC but I use non-PC compatible software for other purposes and I'd like to be able to access data on the PC quickly if the X51v goes on the blink. This concern probably wouldn't have occurred to me had I not already had the problem on an X30 that simply went on the blink a while back and never woke up again. It took ages to reinstall everything on the new X51v and I had to struggle to get new codes for most of my apps first which was a real pain!!

Peter

see here:

http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=107754

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Kazkin · 12-05-05, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by gillius

I just got into PPC development finally today. It took me basically the whole day today to get MSVS 2005 and the SDKs set up. They do come with all of the emulators, and the emulators work just like the PDA. Everything has worked on the emulator until I tried my own app, and that did not work on the PDA but did work on my real device, and I'm not sure why... But I say that because the emulator may not be an exact enough environment for what you want to use it for. Also at this time I haven't seen any way to utilize the emulator outside of running it from within Visual Studio, and that product is not available for free.

could it be that you also need to perform the "unsigned dll" tweak on the emulator as well in order for it to work ?? :)

gillius · 12-05-05, 09:44 AM

I think you can run unsigned applications directly even on production hardware. The security prompt comes from the installation and happens only once. AFAIK you only need the "set security" tool to be able to run MUI files.

Actually I know at least on the emulator you don't have this problem, because I just realized that I didn't mention in my last post that one of my programs I tried worked but another one didn't, giving me that TypeLoadException from .NET. I wonder if the .NET framework is installed properly in the emulator.

alto-pete · 12-05-05, 04:43 PM

Thanks Gillius - I just tried to install the SDK and it became clear to me that you need something else around it and that something appears to be Visual Studio. I wonder if I could lean on your experience a bit by asking what is the most basic version of VS that would allow the SDK to function. Apart from the value of having the emulator as a kind of backup for the PPC I am also keen on doing some PPC development work but I'm quite happy to start small!!

Peter

Originally Posted by gillius

I just got into PPC development finally today. It took me basically the whole day today to get MSVS 2005 and the SDKs set up. They do come with all of the emulators, and the emulators work just like the PDA. Everything has worked on the emulator until I tried my own app, and that did not work on the PDA but did work on my real device, and I'm not sure why... But I say that because the emulator may not be an exact enough environment for what you want to use it for. Also at this time I haven't seen any way to utilize the emulator outside of running it from within Visual Studio, and that product is not available for free.

gillius · 12-05-05, 05:53 PM

Visual Studio Standard and Pro, but not express, can do mobile development. This is what I remember from the spec sheets I saw last night.

So you will have to buy or obtain a VS 2005 version to do this.

Now embedded visual C++ 4 I believe is for PPC 2003 and earlier or maybe PPC 2002 and earlier and is a free product. I think it may also include the emulator. But I am extremely new to mobile programming and I'm just even trying to sort out what I need to install ;). Just literally last night I compiled my first mobile app.