sidpaul

I have the program on my PDA. However i do not see it in my remove programs list. How can i get rid of it?
x51v, WM5

manoloalvarez

As far as I know with WM2003SE you just need to overwrite the .exe file with an empty .txt file which has the same name as the .exe. Hope this wrks in WM5. Cheers!

EngrPaul

<1> Download a small executable file that does nothing then quits, such as DoNothing.

<2> Rename it "odClientCE.exe"

<3> Browse to your device, two locations: \Program Files\Funk Software\Odyssey Client\ and \Windows\.

<4> If you think you may want to use Odyssey client sometime in the future, copy odClientCE.exe to a safe place before step #5.

<5> Replace the odClientCE.exe file with the renamed DoNothing executable of the same name, both places. Say yes, OK to overwrite when prompted.

The DoNothing program can be found at

http://www.scottandmichelle.net/scott/cestuff.html

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gjw

Originally Posted by EngrPaul

<5> Replace the odClientCE.exe file with the renamed DoNothing executable of the same name, both places. Say yes, OK to overwrite when prompted.

You only need to overwrite the copy in the Funk folder.
Overwriting the one in the Windows folder actually wastes space.
See here for more details.

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EngrPaul

I did not get more details, just a repeat of your statement. Can you actually explain why? :)

"Overwriting the same file in the Windows folder does not delete the file and it does not prevent anything from loading into RAM so there is no benefit whatsover from overwriting it.
In truth it is wasting RAM because you are creating a new file in RAM that serves absolutely no purpose."

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gjw

I'm not sure which part isn't clear so I'll try explaining it an other way.

You have a bookshelf that can only hold so many books.
On that shelf is a book that you'll never want to read -- let's call it "The Wit and Wisdom of Henry Kissinger".
Since, for some reason, throwing the book away is not an option -- you put a new book on the shelf, called "Do not read The Wit and Wisdom of Henry Kissinger".
Sort of a waste of shelf space isn't it?

That's what your doing when you overwrite the Odyssey client located in the Windows folder.
You're putting a new book (file) on the shelf (into RAM) to tell the PPC not to acess the original book (file).
Sounds good in theory but just like you will never read "The Wit and Wisdom of Henry Kissinger, the PPC will never try to access the Odyssey client located in the Windows Folder -- only the copy in the Funk folder gets loaded into RAM.

Wasted shelf space -- wasted RAM.
Why that file is even in the Windows folder to begin with is beyond me but there you go.

Taking it off the shelf (deleting it) would be preferable, of course, but as it's in ROM -- it's just not possible.

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drowe

Originally Posted by gjw

I'm not sure which part isn't clear so I'll try explaining it an other way. You have a bookshelf that can only hold so many books. On that shelf is a book that you'll never want to read -- let's call it "The Wit and Wisdom of Henry Kissinger". Since, for some reason, throwing the book away is not an option -- you put a new book on the shelf, called "Do not read The Wit and Wisdom of Henry Kissinger". Sort of a waste of shelf space isn't it? That's what your doing when you overwrite the Odyssey client located in the Windows folder. You're putting a new book (file) on the shelf (into RAM) to tell the PPC not to acess the original book (file). Sounds good in theory but just like you will never read "The Wit and Wisdom of Henry Kissinger, the PPC will never try to access the Odyssey client located in the Windows Folder -- only the copy in the Funk folder gets loaded into RAM. Wasted shelf space -- wasted RAM. Why that file is even in the Windows folder to begin with is beyond me but there you go. Taking it off the shelf (deleting it) would be preferable, of course, but as it's in ROM -- it's just not possible.

You answered your own question, the \windows file is in ROM and therefore not taking up RAM.

EngrPaul

I suppose I'm just asking regarding the difference between the file in /Program Files and the file in /Windows.

Specifically, what is the difference between replacing one and replacing the other.

The explanation regarding placing a file in RAM to replace a file in ROM is already understood.

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gjw

Originally Posted by EngrPaul

I suppose I'm just asking regarding the difference between the file in /Program Files and the file in /Windows. Specifically, what is the difference between replacing one and replacing the other.

In the Startup folder is the file "odClientCeAutoLaunchSmart.exe".
That is the file that actually loads the Odyssey client.
Others have delved into its exact workings and found that it loads the Odyssey client from the Funk folder only.
That's why replacing that version prevents it from loading into RAM.
The version in the Windows folder is not referenced by "odClientCeAutoLaunchSmart.exe" so replacing it does not.

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EngrPaul

That's what I was looking for. Thanks!

I deleted my do-nothing from /windows, and the 2MB odclientce.exe re-appeared after a soft reset. However, my ram usage was the same (to two hundreths of a MB)

Here is my revised instructions based on this new info:

<1> Download a small executable file that does nothing then quits, such as DoNothing.

<2> Rename it "odClientCE.exe"

<3> Browse to your device \Program Files\Funk Software\Odyssey Client\ .

<4> If you think you may want to use Odyssey client sometime in the future, copy odClientCE.exe to a safe place before step #5.

<5> Replace the odClientCE.exe file with the renamed DoNothing executable of the same name. Say yes, OK to overwrite when prompted

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Gdio53

No need to download anything, just create a new, blank text document on your PC and rename it to OdClientCE.exe, copy the file to "\Program Files\Funk Software\Odyssey Client\" on the PPC; this method uses no additional memory.

Also, it's not necessary to copy the file somewhere for future use, just delete the dummy file and soft reset, the file in \Windows is an exact duplicate and will be copied to the Funk directory during the reset.

Overwriting the \Windows file recovers no space, the file is in ROM and can't be deleted, placing a file with the same name in that directory just masks the existing file, it's still there and it you delete the dummy file, the original will show up.

Gary

l0l

Originally Posted by sidpaul

I have the program on my PDA. However i do not see it in my remove programs list. How can i get rid of it? x51v, WM5

The Odyssey Client (odClientCE.exe) is located in ROM as well as in RAM.

The ROM version is located in \My Device\Windows\.

The RAM version is located in \My Device\Program Files\Funk Software\Odyssey Client\.

To completely remove the Odyssey Client from your device (ROM & RAM), use OdysseyKill. If you ever need Odyssey Client again, you will have to hard reset.

To remove the RAM version:
1. Create a text file with one byte; type in one character without pressing Return. Rename it to odClientCE.exe.
2. Copy it over to \My Device\Program Files\Funk Software\Odyssey Client\ and overwrite the original.
3. Delete odClientCEAutoLaunchSmart.exe from \My Device\Windows\Startup\.

With the above method, you can still run Odyssey Client and at the same time free up > 2.42 MB of RAM.

Edit: May 05, 2006
Just tested the OdysseyKill on the X51v. It will only remove the RAM portion of the Odyssey Client.

When you run the Odyssey Client again, the RAM will be filled with the original OdClientCE.exe. Therefore, it is pointless using the OdysseyKill.

randomwalk101

Originally Posted by gjw

You only need to overwrite the copy in the Funk folder. Overwriting the one in the Windows folder actually wastes space. See here for more details.

I'm not so sure now how it could be a "waste of space"...when overriding the one in Windows folder, I would imagine you SAVE space....replacing a 2484K file with a dummy_do_nothing 4K file.

Your book analogy: The book YOU_WILL_NEVER_READ is 50 pages, 1/2" thick...replacing it with a piece of paper DO_NOT_READ_THIS_BOOK, a single page, 0.001" thick.

Gdio53

Originally Posted by randomwalk101

I'm not so sure now how it could be a "waste of space"...when overriding the one in Windows folder, I would imagine you SAVE space....replacing a 2484K file with a dummy_do_nothing 4K file. Your book analogy: The book YOU_WILL_NEVER_READ is 50 pages, 1/2" thick...replacing it with a piece of paper DO_NOT_READ_THIS_BOOK, a single page, 0.001" thick.

Because you don't really over-write or replace the file in \Windows, you just mask it's existence, the file is in ROM and can't be deleted, if you want to test this, check available memory then replace the existing file with a dummy file and check available memory again , it will not change; then delete the dummy and the original file will still be there.

The only way to permanently remove the file from \Windows would be to hack the ROM image.


Gary

gjw

Originally Posted by l0l

To completely remove the Odyssey Client from your device (ROM & RAM), use OdysseyKill.

Nonsense.
The ROM version is not removed by OdysseyKill.
It doesn't even claim to so I'm not sure where you got that impression.

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