What comes first PDA or OS

bhands · 05-10-05, 10:59 AM

How much influence do you think the manufacturers have over the features contained within the Micro$oft OS?

rob1303 · 05-10-05, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by bhands

How much influence do you think the manufacturers have over the features contained within the Micro$oft OS?

I should imagine (in the longer run) quite a bit - as I assume MS are not making it for the 'good of their health' but to sell to people

bhands · 05-10-05, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by rob1303

I should imagine (in the longer run) quite a bit - as I assume MS are not making it for the 'good of their health' but to sell to people

Let me qualify my question. Does HP release a VGA pocket PC and then MS develops a VGA OS, or is it the other way round? Did MS request the manufacturers to release the VGA PPC and now they're playing catch-up? A few of the concerns are around forced VGA mode, this is why I ask.

rob1303 · 05-10-05, 11:27 AM

I honestly don't know. I should imagine it is a bit of both - as they must talk to each other

However, looking at the issue WM2003 has with VGA screens it appears that (at least this time) the manufacturers got their before the OS did.

bhands · 05-10-05, 11:40 AM

Yeah, maybe they do have a joint steering committee, so they can agree on how to take the new technology forward. I just couldn't understand why HP have such a lovely 4" VGA screen and it runs a QVGA OS which utilises pixel doubling as a work-around. It does give you a taste of the things to come though and I can't wait to see future versions of Windows Mobile that are designed around the full VGA screen. :)

rob1303 · 05-10-05, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by bhands

Yeah, maybe they do have a joint steering committee, so they can agree on how to take the new technology forward. I just couldn't understand why HP have such a lovely 4" VGA screen and it runs a QVGA OS which utilises pixel doubling as a work-around. It does give you a taste of the things to come though and I can't wait to see future versions of Windows Mobile that are designed around the full VGA screen. :)

You have also found out the reason I don't have a VGA device yet

bhands · 05-10-05, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by rob1303

You have also found out the reason I don't have a VGA device yet

Ahhhhh. so you are working to a cunning upgrade plan Huh? :approve: I had the h2210 and it was a rock solid PDA, I loved it.

bhands · 05-10-05, 02:30 PM

I guess that the recent WM2005 ROM update news does solve a lot of previously unanswered questions.

Now I was just wondering if I should start a 'WM2006 ROM Update - WHEN?' thread? Hmmm perhaps not.

swhoutx035 · 05-10-05, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by bhands

Now I was just wondering if I should start a 'WM2006 ROM Update - WHEN?' thread? Hmmm perhaps not.

:) :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :) Please wait until the 2005 one is released,,,you still have some mileage left on that one until the 2005 is released.

Driftless · 05-10-05, 03:02 PM

Oh hell no...LOL :approve:

Well...it probably wouild be 2005SE or 2007 next...

Of course it sounds like they've just made it WM5...and not 2005. good. tired of hearing about Magento / Windows Mobile 2005...

Just plain ole WM5

bhands · 05-10-05, 04:27 PM

OK, I'll just leave it there then shall I? LOL

rob1303 · 05-10-05, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by bhands

OK, I'll just leave it there then shall I? LOL

If you could ;)

whitelyt · 05-11-05, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by bhands

Let me qualify my question. Does HP release a VGA pocket PC and then MS develops a VGA OS, or is it the other way round? Did MS request the manufacturers to release the VGA PPC and now they're playing catch-up? A few of the concerns are around forced VGA mode, this is why I ask.

The OS comes first. Microsoft pretty much sets the mandate in regard to what a device can do. The OS have a huge impact on the options are available for the device. Microsoft develops the OS and sends it to the OEMs along with the OS specs. The OEM then decides as part of the OS which functions they will support and those they will not. For example, the rx1715 does not have wifi. However the rx3115 does and both have the same OS. Also the OEM tweaks the OS to custom fit their devices. HP could not make a VGA device if the OS does not support it. So each device the OEM builds conforms around the OS; not the OS conforming to the device.

bhands · 05-11-05, 02:47 AM

Thanks Ted, that makes sense, .. :approve:

bhands · 05-11-05, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by whitelyt

The OS comes first. Microsoft pretty much sets the mandate in regard to what a device can do. The OS have a huge impact on the options are available for the device. Microsoft develops the OS and sends it to the OEMs along with the OS specs. The OEM then decides as part of the OS which functions they will support and those they will not. For example, the rx1715 does not have wifi. However the rx3115 does and both have the same OS. Also the OEM tweaks the OS to custom fit their devices. HP could not make a VGA device if the OS does not support it. So each device the OEM builds conforms around the OS; not the OS conforming to the device.

Would this then suggest that HP had WM5 a year ago prior to the hx470x's development and subsequest release. Or do you think that MS would just have given a spec-sheet and some design guidlines to HP? I find it interesting to try and understand how a new product blue-print is conceived before the manufacturers turn their final design into a new PPC unit rolling down their production lines. - Thanks again :cheers: