Has anyone actually installed 2005? - Page 2

madmunki · 05-19-05, 11:48 AM

Microsoft gave the Mobility MVPs a PDC copy. I know a few and going to get them to give me a copy to tinker with. I'll upload snapshots this weekend.

ybot218 · 05-19-05, 12:30 PM

i dont think anyone really has have they? i would like to know law probably permits any telling at all huh

Howard2k · 05-19-05, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by madmunki

Microsoft gave the Mobility MVPs a PDC copy. I know a few and going to get them to give me a copy to tinker with. I'll upload snapshots this weekend.

They give away the developers kit perhaps. They obviously did not give away the device specific versions for all the PDAs destined for a WM2005 upgrade.

deftech · 05-19-05, 02:08 PM

It's not even necessarily that the OS is hardware specific....

It's just how the various manufacturers distribute them and/or put them on their own PocketPCs. For instance, Dell and HP will take the standard Microsoft WM5 build and they will go and make a custom build that includes the device drivers written for the components in their PocketPCs.... and usually some custom software of their choices as well.

The OS isn't any different from one PPC to the next, it's just the drivers/software/settings that are included on the manufacturer's build.

MrKlaatu · 05-19-05, 02:23 PM

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But didn't Unka Bill say that future WM Upgrades will come direct from MicroSoft?
How will these incorporate Manufacturer specific drivers, &ct?

Don't ask me for provenance....
I just remember reading/hearing it somewhere.

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madmunki · 05-19-05, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by MrKlaatu

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But didn't Unka Bill say that future WM Upgrades will come direct from MicroSoft?
How will these incorporate Manufacturer specific drivers, &ct?

Don't ask me for provenance....
I just remember reading/hearing it somewhere.

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They can, sure. MSFT wants to control everything. I see this working like so:

A PDA manufacture writes drivers for the Mobile OS, they send them to MSFT, and thru something like WindowsUpdate.com they get pushed to your device. Doing it this way prevents WM5 rom images being hacked and pirated on unpaid devices. Remember the big Dell fiasco with people hacking the PPC03 os rom and installing it on their dell PPC02 os?

I am sure the WM 2005 MSFT gave to their Mobility MVPs runs in a emulator.

hidefguy · 05-25-05, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by madmunki

Microsoft gave the Mobility MVPs a PDC copy. I know a few and going to get them to give me a copy to tinker with. I'll upload snapshots this weekend.

At the MEDC a few weeks ago, some folks were demoing software (using hardware accelerated graphics) on an x50v using WM5, and it looked very impressive. From what I heard there, the x50v version of WM5 was till very much in the testing phase and the guy (Chris Meunch) who gave a presentation on using MD3D said at his presentation he was strictly told by Dell not to demo until then. Clearly, this OS for the x50v is currently a hot item because it enables graphics-accelerated application development in DirectX.

06-14-05, 08:14 PM

(dumb question) will the x50 version of WM5 have better graphics, cuz now they suck. unless you devote all of your free memory to program memory and put the processor on prformance.

pollito · 07-18-05, 11:53 AM

We should check the system requirement with Microsoft. If X30 fit, X30 should be able to upgrade.

madmunki · 07-18-05, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by nathanwj

(dumb question) will the x50 version of WM5 have better graphics, cuz now they suck. unless you devote all of your free memory to program memory and put the processor on prformance.

Yep! Until better support is out for the VGA screen, its rather worthless. I sold my x50v on eBay for a pocket pc phone. Its only 240x320, 400mhz processor, but it runs twice as fast as my x50v axim.

psionandy · 07-18-05, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by madmunki

Yep! Until better support is out for the VGA screen, its rather worthless. I sold my x50v on eBay for a pocket pc phone. Its only 240x320, 400mhz processor, but it runs twice as fast as my x50v axim.

well I have both and disagree. everytime I pick up the X50v my eyes say WOW.

madmunki · 07-18-05, 04:03 PM

The graphics are much better I agree. Unfortunatly you pay heavily for the 640x480 res. Until products start supporting the graphics processor that x50v has it uses CPU cycles, slowing down most applications considerably. Try jawbreaker between the two and you will see a huge performance hit on the VGA screen.

psionandy · 07-18-05, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by madmunki

The graphics are much better I agree. Unfortunatly you pay heavily for the 640x480 res. Until products start supporting the graphics processor that x50v has it uses CPU cycles, slowing down most applications considerably. Try jawbreaker between the two and you will see a huge performance hit on the VGA screen.

OK I understand now.. I'm not a gamer so for me performance is in things like handwriting recognition.. document viewing etc..

The MDA has turned into my main work device. It's always with me as it's my phone. My Axim now lives in my bag and comes out when I want to enjoy what I'm reading, WiFi or media stuff. It wasn't a planned move to get the MDA.. but I was offered one as a free handset as part of my phone deal.

I enjoy using the axim too much to let it go though

IM0001 · 07-19-05, 02:26 PM

uhh isnt that what the gapi tweek was supposed to speed up? I have no slowdown to my friends VGA IPaq and heck i blow his in the weeds with features and abilities. His only has the nice bigger vga screen.

deftech · 07-20-05, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by pollito

We should check the system requirement with Microsoft. If X30 fit, X30 should be able to upgrade.

Keep in mind that a Pocket PC / Windows Mobile upgrade isn't like going out and buying a Windows upgrade for your PC. You can't just purchase it in store, or from Microsoft. You have to get it from the manufacturer of your PDA, as they (Dell in this case) will have to make a custom build of the OS with drivers/software/etc for your specific PDA. Dell is only releasing a X50/X50v build of Windows Mobile 5, so don't anybody get your hopes up for having it on your X30 or earlier Dell Axim.