Microsoft would like for old devices to get upgrades, but it is not their decision! If they do get upgrades, Microsoft gets money, but the manufactures don't. If Microsoft COULD make upgrades for each and every device, there would be, but its up to the manufacture.
Well, I guess I should've inserted sarcasm tags there... the whole point of the post was to use the argument 'well, Dell wouldn't dump support for older systems' by pointing to Microsoft to show that that HAS happened, and in a big way... heck, the x30 from Dell's a prime example: have you seen any big updates since the x51 and WM5 showed up, or promises to update the x30 to WM5?
Just because it might piss off some customers with older hardware doesn't mean a company's obligated to continue supporting a device until Judgement Day rolls around - a LOT of older devices have lost support since Vista showed up, and so did the OS's that came with them. And given the reports in the Front Page News area (see RIP: Dell Axim), I doubt that the Axims sold well enough to be considered a major product line for Dell towards the end, unlike the Treos were for Palm (which is why they're being continued there).
Originally Posted by ksong12
I heard, I won't say where, for my source says that Dell isn't sure, but they will release WM6
My friend, said thats what the Tech support ppl said, over Dell Chat.
... not that one again.
Dell Tech Support chat also said that Axims don't work with 4GB SD cards (they do), among many other things. I trust those guys about as far as I can toss a fully loaded superjumbo. ;) I won't trust any rumors about WM6 for the Axim unless they're coming straight from the Dell website - not their tech support people in Mumbai.
I heard a gossip that came from a chinese webpage where DELL it's working into wm6 for axim. And remember that they are the manufactured so they will known eary any news.
But also hear a rumour about the division mobile of dell was dismantled by complete (even burning all the documents).
Like the motto of the x-files :"i want to believed", but the question is which "truth" i must follow?.
My friend, said thats what the Tech support ppl said, over Dell Chat.
dell customer services is just about equivalent to car dealership. they are a bunch of lairs. and there are two worst kind of people in this world: liars and cheaters. :exc:
but dell customer serives is not the only one. I caught lenovo (former IBM) customer services to try to cheat me on their prices as well. but whatever - people i guess will do anything to get your money.
EDIT: I will never ever, call dell or ibm to purchase anything over the phone.
My understanding is that the hardward of the older Axims do not support WM5. There were major problems when X50s were upgraded to WM5 mainly because of hardware requirements.
My understanding is that the hardward of the older Axims do not support WM5. There were major problems when X50s were upgraded to WM5 mainly because of hardware requirements.
I know - but the point was that, just because a new OS came out, doesn't mean that the company's obligated to keep supporting older devices... which meant that the x30's run came to an end. WM6 isn't the massive reworking of the OS that WM5 was in comparison to 2003 and 2003SE, but just because it's out doesn't mean Dell will necessarily offer upgrades for the x51 series, much less the x50's. In fact, given the way Microsoft's going with the naming (non-connected devices = Classic) suggests that even MS has given up on the stand-alone PDA. And with the other news posts that also suggest (very strongly) that Dell's given up the Axim market, then saying 'it WILL happen, because I know it will' about a WM6 upgrade's little more than wishful thinking, unless Dell announces on their webpage that they're doing WM6 for current PDA's.
As long as there is some money in it, Microsoft won't give up the PDA market altogether. Keep in mind that Hp has no plans of abandoning stand alone PDAs and will most likely profit a lot from Dell quiting the market. And even if for some strange reasons stand alone PDAs disappear from the face of this planet, there will be increasing demand for higher processor speed and better screen PDA/Phones. And this is what is needed for good GPS experience.
But even MS is retreating a little from the PPC market. Versions of MS Money have all had a ppc version thru 2006, but Money 2007 doesn't, and apparently they have no intention of making one.
As long as there is some money in it, Microsoft won't give up the PDA market altogether. Keep in mind that Hp has no plans of abandoning stand alone PDAs and will most likely profit a lot from Dell quiting the market. And even if for some strange reasons stand alone PDAs disappear from the face of this planet, there will be increasing demand for higher processor speed and better screen PDA/Phones. And this is what is needed for good GPS experience.
They haven't retreated? Then name a more recent stand-alone PDA from HP since the hx4700 or hx2000 series that showed up when the x51 did. Bet you can't - ALL of their PDA releases since have been phones of one kind or another. Even that new one that looks like a candy-bar is a phone. All of the newer devices I've seen getting the good press have had some sort of phone function.
HP left long before Dell may have - Acer and HTC don't seem to have any non-connected WM6 devices on their roadmaps, at least not as a flagship product. As far as faster phones go, the Flame has a 400MHz processor... And Toshiba has a WVGA phone in the pipe.
All of the newer devices I've seen getting the good press have had some sort of phone function.
So PDA cannot have some kind of phone option? why does it have to be smartphone and not PDA with phone? Who cares what you name things. The point is how are they gonna serve the public. Obviously smart phones the size of an Axim are more of a PDA than a phone. And Smartphones that size of a razor are more of a phone than a PDA. So obviously Microsoft will have to serve PDA devices that have incorporated phone in them. And most users get this size of smartphone (if you want to call it like that) for obvious reason - the screen size and the power. I only wish that we would be able to have PDA without phone option to cut down the costs.
That is why there is Smartphone edition (now known as "Standard") and Pocket PC Phone Edition (now known as "Professional"), Pocket PC without phone is now "Classic". Just get a Pocket PC Phone Edition/Professional and you will have a big touch screen device.
Yet the point of my post was that converged devices are the focus of attention for manufacturers - in other words, devices with phones. The Axim cannot be described, under even the most generous definition, a phone (as it lacks independent network connectivity, unlike a Treo). You argue that HP hasn't given up the PDA market - I say it has, as most of its devices are Smartphones. Converged devices can have PDA functions, but they are NOT standalone PDA's, which the market has apparently abandoned.
You yourself said 'Hp has no plans of abandoning stand alone PDAs and will most likely profit a lot from Dell quiting the market', then do a turnaround and now say 'well, PDA phones are PDA's too' when asked to prove that HP has not dropped out of the standalone market. Get your arguments straight ahead of time. HP has pretty much abandoned the standalone, unless you count the car-GPS/jukebox rx5915. There is precisely ONE new nonphone PDA out... and it uses WM5.
Two devices, and not using WM6. If that doesn't count as 'abandoned', then you're very optimistic. It's probably feasible for Dell to do a WM6 upgrade, tech-wise. However, for busines reasons (phones are where the money is), a WM6 upgrade of unlikely at this time. Gee, to think you're so lazy that you had to get me to bring up points to support your position after you couldn't argue against me... ;)
You argue that HP hasn't given up the PDA market - I say it has, as most of its devices are Smartphones.
so what that they have most devices as smartphones, it does not mean that they have given up on PDAs. Same goes car manufacturers, few years ago they had mostly SUVs on the roads, did it mean they had given up on sedans? um No!
Originally Posted by Haesslich
You yourself said 'Hp has no plans of abandoning stand alone PDAs and will most likely profit a lot from Dell quiting the market', then do a turnaround and now say 'well, PDA phones are PDA's too' when asked to prove that HP has not dropped out of the standalone market.
that's hardly a turn around, more like supportive argument. it seems like you are desperately trying to disprove me, think before you post.
the rest of your arguments seem okay...
and by the way I was using points for specific argument so don't try to twist things around to make them sound better for you. its just really looks like you are desperate.
now there is a difference between proving someone wrong and trashing somebody else's arguments. its just nicer the first way but it looks really bad for you if you do it the other way and come out to be wrong.
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