Haesslich

Originally Posted by matt_90048

now lets evaluate Haesslich arguments: so what that they have most devices as smartphones, it does not mean that they have given up on PDAs. Same goes car manufacturers, few years ago they had mostly SUVs on the roads, did it mean they had given up on sedans? um No! (snip) that's hardly a turn around, more like supportive argument. it seems like you are desperately trying to disprove me, think before you post. the rest of your arguments seem okay... and by the way I was using points for specific argument so don't try to twist things around to make them sound better for you. its just really looks like you are desperate.

I take it you've never taken debating in high school or the like. Seriously - first you say the 'stand alone market has not been abandoned', then when confronted with a simple 'prove it', you just say that "Well, PDA phones are still PDA's" - how does that support the point 'the standalone market is not abandoned'? If you'd brought in the new Socket PDA, then that'd be supporting it. Otherwise, you're just backtracking.

You said, very SPECIFICALLY, that if Dell abandoned the PDA market that HP would eat its lunch... which is why you believe Dell hasn't abandoned the Axim, which means we MAY have a possibility of a new Axim or WM6 on our current ones. How does that equal 'twisting points'? The main argument 'Microsoft wont' abandon the PDA market completely' is possibly valid - if you say that converged devices are PDA's. They have PDA functions, but they're not the stand-alone personal data assistants which premiered with the Newton and the PalmPilot way back when. 'Microsoft is unlikely to abandon the smartphone market' is a more accurate statement, and true - since WM5, they've been merging the codebases between Windows Mobile and Windows Mobile Smartphone - WM6 Professional is proof of this concept, as are some of the PDA phones you've named. However, you've failed to deliver a convincing argument that says that 'Dell is not abandoning the market' - I've stated that they seem to have done so, and that even Microsoft is shifting priorities to converged devices as manufacturers have begun pumping them out. Windows Mobile 6 Classic exists in the event that someone goes the Socket route and releases a non-connected PDA; and it's not a tough task, given the similarity of WM5 and WM6.

There were what, two stand-alone PDA's of notes in the past year? How many converged devices have come out in comparison? Ten to one? Twenty? That's a pretty marginalized market, and unlike Apples there aren't exactly a lot of specialized applications or industries which can't run on Smartphone-type devices. Inventory systems have been using WinCE for ages, or their own proprietary systems; phones have Symbian 40 and 60, various flavors of Linux (Motorola), Windows Mobile Smartphone as well as plain-vanilla Windows Mobile, Palm, and so forth. It's not like Microsoft has a lock on the market, although their share has been growing since they started combining the codebases of Windows Mobile and WM Smartphone.

Originally Posted by matt_90048

now there is a difference between proving someone wrong and trashing somebody else's arguments. its just nicer the first way but it looks really bad for you if you do it the other way and come out to be wrong.

Who said I was trashing? I had to counter my own argument, since you didn't... and even then, it's a very feeble counter (two stand-alone devices versus dozens of converged ones). Toshiba's newest WM-based smartphone actually exceeds the Axim in terms of screen resolution; the O2 Flame has better storage and VGA-resolution which has been missing from most PDA's for the past few years; Palm's pumping out Treo's with applications to improve the Windows Mobile Interface. In the other corner, we have two very plain QVGA devices which aren't even the equal of an old X51v in terms of capabilities, which seem to have been designed in 2004 rather than 2006-2007.

Until Dell says 'we're doing WM6', I'm going to take any rumors of Dell issuing a WM6 patch/upgrade with a grain of salt the size of El Capitan.

Stoke

Is it just me or are folks missing the forest for the trees here? In my opinion, in an ideal world, Windows Mobile should never have existed, in any version. We should be running the same OS on these devices as on the desktop, just lightened up. But the basic core should be the same, apps should be the same, and stability should CERTAINLY be better than it has been with any pocket windows version. But the limitations of the hardware necessitated a pocket "version" of Windows, which has only been varying grades of disappointing.

Pocket PCs (generic term, not Microsoft's) themselves are not going away...to believe that would be idiotic. If anything, the market for them has only begun to be scratched. But eventually, if we're lucky, "Windows Mobile" WILL go away, and pocket pcs will be able to simply run "desktop" windows. How that will play out, who knows...whether PDA's will evolve upward, tablets/laptops evolve smaller...whatever. Sony for example has started to step into the water with their beautiful (but super-pricey) UX line, I believe.

Oh and BTW I am still running WM2003SE. WM5 in my opinion has never yet "gotten" there. And seemingly from these threads, never will.

rumble291

Stoke oh so true! WM5 is like XP when it first came out that is why Microsoft released WM6 to fix the errors. Also the universal rom is not even complete so why are you contiuning to go on about the only difference is that it has a nicer theme and netframework V2? Dell wont say anything about WM6 till the update is actually released because they have seen what has already happened with the Universal WM6 BETA Rom the only reason they will try and stop you from running a beta is because it can really screw up your phone/PDA. If there is an update it wont be released for a few months. All i want is for my Axim to be upto date as i only bought it at christmas time and Dell has just killed off the Axim. Like Dell has said the PDA market is a dying market because every1 is getting a PDA Phone, if only Dell made a Axim Phone i would get it anyways my next phone is going to be a HTC so i can phone people and use it for other things even though the processing power isnt as good as the Axims.

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Originally Posted by rumble291

anyways my next phone is going to be a HTC so i can phone people

this made me laugh, of course you are going to phone someone with a phone, no need to explain your usage for the device when it says phone right in the name.

mrp04

Originally Posted by rumble291

Stoke oh so true! WM5 is like XP when it first came out that is why Microsoft released WM6 to fix the errors. Also the universal rom is not even complete so why are you contiuning to go on about the only difference is that it has a nicer theme and netframework V2? Dell wont say anything about WM6 till the update is actually released because they have seen what has already happened with the Universal WM6 BETA Rom the only reason they will try and stop you from running a beta is because it can really screw up your phone/PDA. If there is an update it wont be released for a few months. All i want is for my Axim to be upto date as i only bought it at christmas time and Dell has just killed off the Axim. Like Dell has said the PDA market is a dying market because every1 is getting a PDA Phone, if only Dell made a Axim Phone i would get it anyways my next phone is going to be a HTC so i can phone people and use it for other things even though the processing power isnt as good as the Axims.

WM6 has been finalized. You can download the final ROM for the Microsoft Device Emulator (which comes bundled with Visual Studio). I downloaded it, and it is no different then the leaked ROMs.
Also, it doesn't matter when you bought your Axim to make it up to date, the X51 is not a new series.

Hoggie3

So probably people will only use windows mobile on their phones and pocket pc will be a small umpc that runs windows.

Axim geek

Originally Posted by frenchie

Why don't we put all of our anger and flames to good use and support the Linux Project. That upgrade would certainly bring a much improved experience to an Axim user.

I agree with Frenchie.
:)

Piked

mpr04-
I am replying to this post because you are WRONG!

Windows Mobile 6 (Crossbow) upgrade for Axim x51v will be available via DELL. The date it will be available is still up in the air (before may12 but not before apr22).

How do I know?
I work in a Dell Direct outlet in Michigan. I got the job through my best friend, whos dad is an Account Executive (Development) in Detroit. Both Caleb (friend) and myself have been aware of this since the first of the month. Since we both use our AXIM's on an everyday basis, we asked his dad about it when Microsoft first annouced wm6's release!

The reason Im posting today is to take all credibility out of your original post. As well as to give hope to those who loyally wait for thier product upgrades!

The fact that you came here and claimed to know things that you dont is crazy! From now on, post FACTS, not what you believe!

You said:
"Dell has stated that it will not longer make Axims. There is no motive for them to make an upgrade! It costs a lot of money, and they only sell it for as much as the license costs. The only reason companies make upgrades is to keep people happy so the next device they purchase is from the same company.
Dell already has your money, and will not be releasing another Axim, so they do not need to keep you happy, because the next device you buy will not be from them either way."

YES- Dell has stopped making the Axim! But let me ask you this... Did they ever say that they were going to stop supporting it?
"dell already has your money...so they dont need to keep you happy" Are you mentally challenged? <<Dell established their name in quality products and the continuing support for those devices! You'd have to be mental if you actually believed that Dell would sell you a product, and then say 'SUCKER!. We dont support that device anymore'

WINDOWS MOBILE 6 UPGRADE IS COMING! <>The kid who posted this original thread is WRONG and maybe just wants some attention!

**And for all those who actually listened to him,- Next time talk to someone who has facts, not ideals based on his prejudice that make him sound credible!

mrp04

Yeah ok, we will see about it.

Haesslich

Originally Posted by Piked

mpr04- I am replying to this post because you are WRONG! Windows Mobile 6 (Crossbow) upgrade for Axim x51v will be available via DELL. The date it will be available is still up in the air (before may12 but not before apr22). How do I know? I work in a Dell Direct outlet in Michigan. I got the job through my best friend, whos dad is an Account Executive (Development) in Detroit. Both Caleb (friend) and myself have been aware of this since the first of the month. Since we both use our AXIM's on an everyday basis, we asked his dad about it when Microsoft first annouced wm6's release! The reason Im posting today is to take all credibility out of your original post. As well as to give hope to those who loyally wait for thier product upgrades! The fact that you came here and claimed to know things that you dont is crazy! From now on, post FACTS, not what you believe! You said: "Dell has stated that it will not longer make Axims. There is no motive for them to make an upgrade! It costs a lot of money, and they only sell it for as much as the license costs. The only reason companies make upgrades is to keep people happy so the next device they purchase is from the same company. Dell already has your money, and will not be releasing another Axim, so they do not need to keep you happy, because the next device you buy will not be from them either way." YES- Dell has stopped making the Axim! But let me ask you this... Did they ever say that they were going to stop supporting it? "dell already has your money...so they dont need to keep you happy" Are you mentally challenged? <<Dell established their name in quality products and the continuing support for those devices! You'd have to be mental if you actually believed that Dell would sell you a product, and then say 'SUCKER!. We dont support that device anymore' WINDOWS MOBILE 6 UPGRADE IS COMING! <>The kid who posted this original thread is WRONG and maybe just wants some attention! **And for all those who actually listened to him,- Next time talk to someone who has facts, not ideals based on his prejudice that make him sound credible!

Of course, we have only your word that you work for Dell and have 'the facts' instead of hot air or wishful thinking... but given that Dell's stopped selling the device, I'm wondering how well the support will be should we start seeing bricked WM6 Axims, given that manufacturing's stopped and the supply of replacement devices is uncertain.

In any case, I've quoted your post in order to keep an unaltered copy of it handy, for May 12 2007 (assuming you mean this May and not next), to see whether Crossbow shows up. It'll have to be a Windows Mobile 6 Classic version, at least - and I'm a bit surprised that Chris hasn't heard about this, given his closer connections to sources... and of course, the press release/interview PCWorld got from another Dell spokesperson.

MarcFou

I just pray for Office 2007 document support. What are the odds MS would release a hotfix if Dell dosent produce a ROM update?

m1a1mg

Piked, I've got a Dimension 4100. Do you think you can get Dell to send me a copy of Vista? They should still be supporting it , right????

pawpals

Quote:

Piked, I've got a Dimension 4100. Do you think you can get Dell to send me a copy of Vista? They should still be supporting it , right????

Handheld support is totally different than PC support. For a PC, any upgrade (as opposed to update) of an operating system is purchased separately from Microsoft by the PC owner. For a handheld, there is no option for an individual owner to purchase an upgrade (or even an update, usually) from Microsoft - it all goes through the manufacturer.

So your question has no meaning in this context.

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paulcb

Why is it that these "facts" about Dell and WM6 always come from posters with a grand total of about 3 posts. They rarely, if ever, turn out to be correct. I usually just ignore them... my X51v works great (although not perfect) with WM5.

Piked

Why is it that these "facts" about Dell and WM6 always come from posters with a grand total of about 3 posts. They rarely, if ever, turn out to be correct. I usually just ignore them... my X51v works great (although not perfect) with WM5.


Im a reader for the most part, I do not like to give my opinion. Unless I see something that Is totally wrong. In this case the topic is closer than most because I sell these things.