then why are all the other devices(such as treos) that where made for wm5 able to handle wm6.
Once again we get back to $$$$ . . .
Chances are that *with work* WM6 would work on the X51 and so on, but it would require support from the manufacturer as they are the only people who have any idea of the dedicated hardware involved. PDAs are by no means like PCs that all have common hardware types and protocols. Every PDA is a custom job, sure they may have common hardware but chances are it will be handled differently as every designer has different conceptions as to how something should be done. Only devices from the same manufacturer (like the XDA series, which is all HTC hardware) are likely to have similar hardware that can be treated as one family of devices. The X50/X51 was a custom designed job by HTC for Dell and that does not imply it is the same as an XDA. Dell gave them a list of requirements and probably a preferred implementation method which would make it a lone entity, separate from HTCs other designs, intentionally done by Dell so that the only support for it would go through them.
Sure, you can get linux running on a pda, but that is because it is not as intimately tied to the hardware on the device. Linux generalises hardware and makes it easy to deal with but does not use many of the more esoteric bits of hardware that make the device function as well as it does with WM, leaving a lot of low level things being handled by brute force rather than elegantly using already implemented hardware. WM is very intimately tied to the hardware *by design* and requires tailoring to each specific device. That tailoring can only be done properly by the manufacturer.
As I've said, you can cludge together something that might work from pieces that you found lying around, but that does not mean it will work well and use the hardware efficiently. WM6 is a similar yet different entity to WM5 and there is no way we can say what it needs and required without a full WM6 hardware dev kit and I doubt anyone here has one. I was under the impression that WM6 made use of ROM differently so it could delete localisation files that aren't needed from the base ROM (though I could be wrong) and so would require very different ROM images and probably drivers for the ROM chips.
It is by no means a simple affair. Even linux on the X50 which would ignore a lot of the dedicated hardware has taken an ice age to get to an almost usable stage.
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Chances are that *with work* WM6 would work on the X51 and so on, but it would require support from the manufacturer as they are the only people who have any idea of the dedicated hardware involved. PDAs are by no means like PCs that all have common hardware types and protocols. Every PDA is a custom job, sure they may have common hardware but chances are it will be handled differently as every designer has different conceptions as to how something should be done. Only devices from the same manufacturer (like the XDA series, which is all HTC hardware) are likely to have similar hardware that can be treated as one family of devices. The X50/X51 was a custom designed job by HTC for Dell and that does not imply it is the same as an XDA. Dell gave them a list of requirements and probably a preferred implementation method which would make it a lone entity, separate from HTCs other designs, intentionally done by Dell so that the only support for it would go through them.
Sure, you can get linux running on a pda, but that is because it is not as intimately tied to the hardware on the device. Linux generalises hardware and makes it easy to deal with but does not use many of the more esoteric bits of hardware that make the device function as well as it does with WM, leaving a lot of low level things being handled by brute force rather than elegantly using already implemented hardware. WM is very intimately tied to the hardware *by design* and requires tailoring to each specific device. That tailoring can only be done properly by the manufacturer.
As I've said, you can cludge together something that might work from pieces that you found lying around, but that does not mean it will work well and use the hardware efficiently. WM6 is a similar yet different entity to WM5 and there is no way we can say what it needs and required without a full WM6 hardware dev kit and I doubt anyone here has one. I was under the impression that WM6 made use of ROM differently so it could delete localisation files that aren't needed from the base ROM (though I could be wrong) and so would require very different ROM images and probably drivers for the ROM chips.
It is by no means a simple affair. Even linux on the X50 which would ignore a lot of the dedicated hardware has taken an ice age to get to an almost usable stage.
The fact that wm5 treos are getting a wm6 upgrade led me to that concluion. Is their hardware any better than the axim?
another day, another idoit.
the hardware is not BETTER, but it is DIFFERNT. so if your right then, i shoudl be able to upgrade my hp mediavault to windows mobile 5 because the hardware isnt any better then an axim.
the hardware is not BETTER, but it is DIFFERNT. so if your right then, i shoudl be able to upgrade my hp mediavault to windows mobile 5 because the hardware isnt any better then an axim.
this proves my point. after looking, i was unable to find detailed hardware documentation on a wm5 running treo. i did however, find that the proc is in fact a differnt moel then in the x5XX.
this proves my point. after looking, i was unable to find detailed hardware documentation on a wm5 running treo. i did however, find that the proc is in fact a differnt moel then in the x5XX.
chris
so all the ppcs that run wm6 have the same "proc"?
Proficient at twelve programming languages? You're smarter than I am, then. I've been writing code for over 30 years. I've been EXPOSED to perhaps a dozen in that time:
CYBER '74 FORTRAN IV
CYBER '74 PL/I
DEC PDP FORTRAN IV
IBM 360 FORTRAN IV G1
Z-80 Assembler
8086 Assembler
80386 Assembler
Waterloo PORT
Microsoft/IBM BASIC
Microsoft/IBM/Borland Macro Assembler
Borland C++
Borland Macro Assembler
Microsoft Visual C++
Sun Microsystems Java
Microsoft Visual BASIC (All flavors)
Microsoft Visual C#
Presently I'd say I'm proficient mainly in Visual BASIC, C# and C/C++. Maintaining "proficiency" in more than a handful of languages at one time is tough. Which one or two are you good at?
Your point that "hacking" that ROM image is correct - but you sure do place a BIG chip on your shoulder in trying to "prove" your point. Stop being so arrogant - at least until you can learn to spell - and even then you might wanna stop being arrogant anyway. ;)
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