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Old 07-29-07, 08:58 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Thanks to Alicialovejoy for the great post, my bub was dead and I "jump started" as instructions and so far it is ok
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Old 08-21-07, 06:58 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Thx Alice! My Axim was having the same problem, worked so far ok. =D
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Old 10-17-07, 03:30 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by fire1 View Post
were can you buy the BUB shown in the pictures
I know that this comes in about a year late, but for those of you who may not mind disassembling the PDA, but would rather not solder connections, the pictured battery (with clip) is available at Axim Battery Center for about $20 USD. They also have a nice little screwdriver set (magnetized tips) for the disassembly for about another $7 USD. It's not as cheap as just the battery, but it's a heck of a lot easier and is much cheaper than a new PDA.
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Old 11-24-07, 11:34 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by kennethi448 View Post
I know that this comes in about a year late, but for those of you who may not mind disassembling the PDA, but would rather not solder connections, the pictured battery (with clip) is available at Axim Battery Center for about $20 USD. They also have a nice little screwdriver set (magnetized tips) for the disassembly for about another $7 USD. It's not as cheap as just the battery, but it's a heck of a lot easier and is much cheaper than a new PDA.
I just did this with mine and all is well and working again. The repair was fairly simple but it does require disassembly. Thanks for the tips
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Old 12-24-07, 08:56 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Kar98 View Post
The back-up battery can be found at the end of the black and red pair of cables.
I bought a battery from mouser.com, the Varta V20HR 22 mAh. I got my Axim X30 apart, but now the touch screen doesn't work. The Axim powered up, and had the Windows Mobile logo and said to touch screen to begin. I then hit the Reset button, and now it says "To clear all data in the memory, press (shows Contacts button). To cancel this operation, press (shows Email button)."

The steps didn't say to undo the ribbon cable that is below the BUB cable. I pulled it out with needle nose pliers, noticed that there are 2 levers on each side which flip down to hold the cable in place so it makes contact.

Any idea what the problem is? Is it possible that using needle nose pliers to pull the ribbon cable out broke the wires that are protected by the plastic casing over the ribbon cables? I assume the ribbon cable below the BUB cable controls sending button data and screen touches to the processor.

I pried the green case away from the old battery, then use wire cutters to detach the soldered connector from each side of the battery. I then put the red cable's cut metal piece on the + side, and the black one on the - side. I didn't have electrical tape available, so used duct tape to hold them in place. Will this work?

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Old 01-01-08, 08:55 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Any ideas what my problem is?
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Old 01-19-08, 01:08 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by slurgin View Post
Any ideas what my problem is?
Anyone? Bueller?
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Old 01-23-08, 05:47 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Thanks so Much!! Pure Genius
Originally Posted by alicialovejoy View Post
Your backup battery might not be dead, it might just have entered a 0 V state which is preventing it from being charged (the charger will not try to charge it).

If you have a voltmeter and a bit of skill you may not need to buy a new battery. I just bought an axim x3i from Ebay. On arrival it had the "battery abnormal", battery has failed screen, exactly as shown in pictures in this forum. I tried the suggestions in other threads about charging without the main battery, putting it on the cradle while on, do it for several hours, etc, etc., no go in my case. I did some reading at the sites of the manufacturers of these NimH button batteries and learned that if they get completely drained during shipping they may "die", but can be revived. The battery enters a 0 volt state, and most chargers will not attempt to charge a 0V battery, as it thinks the battery is dead. The axim behaves the same, if the voltage dropped to 0v it will not charge the backup battery anymore and will display the "abnormal" message. Most of the time the battery is not truly dead, and can be brought back to life. How? You need to jump start it with 1.5 to 2x its rated voltage. I just did that a few hours ago, and my backup battery is now back to a "normal" state and holding charge. The way I did it:

Took 2 AAA batteries, used electrical tape to connect them together in series, along with wire leads at each terminal. Checked with voltmeter for voltage at the wires from the rigged batteries, reads 2.54 volts. Good. You might want to attach the other end of the wires to something pointy, like a nail or needle, as it will make it much easier to do the next step. To check the voltage of the backup battery (bub) there's no need to remove it from the wrap. The tiny white connector has a couple of small, recessed silver tabs on the top of it, where the wires come in. It is much easier (though still a bit hard) to put your probe there then to try to stick it in the little holes in the tip of the connector. These silver tabs are also the easiest place to connect the wires to jump start the back up battery. When measuring the voltage in my bub it read 0 volts, as expected. Time to jump start it. Touch the positive wire from the rigged AAA batteries to the positive terminal of the bub. In my case, that was the red wire. At the same time touch the negative wire to the negative terminal of the bub, in my case it was the grey wire. Do it for only 5 seconds first, and check the temperature of the bub with your finger. If it got really hot, you might have the polarity wrong. Check the voltage of the bub again. Mine read 0.01V, hey, better than zero. Jump start the battery again, but now hold the connection for about 10 seconds. Careful not to short the wires, they are very close together, and if you do the rigged AAA cells will get very hot and.... ehr.. let's not think about it. Provided your bub is not very warm, do a third cycle, this time for 20 seconds. My bub got warm after this, but not hot. Checked the voltage one last time and.... it now reads 1.3 V. Yay! One word of caution: leave reconnecting the backup battery for last, after all the other screws and connectors are already in place and you are ready to screw in the back cover. Why? You don't have your main battery connected, and your revived backup battery has very little charge in it. If it gets drained to 0V again while you're fidgeting with the back cover.... you're back to where you started. Call me paranoid, but I connected the charger to the axim first, so I'd have main power, then I plugged the white backup battery connector in its socket. Next I quickly put the back cover in place, popped in the main battery, and screwed down the back cover. Anyway, this worked for me, but your mileage may vary.

Ah, one last thing about disassembly: for those following the picture in another post, after you take the 4 screws off the cover you must remove 3 more screws: 2 at the bottom, beside the power connector, and one at the top, which actually holds down the wifi antenna on the x3i. If that's your case, you'll have to disconnect the little connector from the antenna as well and remove it, it just unplugs like a miniature tv cable, cute. For everyone there are now 3 ribbon cables preventing you from lifting the motherboard enough to access the backup battery. You only have to disconnect 2. You can leave the largest cable on the right where it is, and just "hinge" the board up. But you'll have to disconnect the smaller cable next to it. You'll notice that there are clear plastic tabs on the side of the connector. Those slide back if pushed with the tip of a small screwdriver, releasing the "grip" on the ribbon so you can pull it out. The other ribbon cable at the bottom, close to the power jack, is trickier. The brown plastic thing sitting just under the ribbon is a one piece "shim" that is applying pressure on the ribbon cable for good contact. It has two little prongs that are "hinged" on the sides of the light colored motherboard connector. If you lift it up slightly, as if opening the lid of a chest, it should release the pressure on the ribbon cable and you can pull it and the cable out. Note that this cable is short and "springy", so its tendency is to want to stay in the connector. To put this back, revert the procedure: hinge the "shim" back in the connector, then slide the ribbon cable over it into the connector, push the shim down.
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Old 01-23-08, 09:29 PM   #54 (permalink)
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For those of you who jumpstarted, did you still get the "Backup battery has failed" message after restarting until you did a full recharge?

I jumpstarted, measured the bub @ 1.5 volts, and still got an error when I powered up. I'm charging again now.

Thanks!

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Old 01-24-08, 10:19 AM   #55 (permalink)
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You need to charge the bub as soon as you finish "jumpstarting" it. The procedure you just did only took it out of its "abnormal" 0V state, so that it can be charged. FYI, my bub is working fine still, I even took the main battery off for 20 minutes or so to see what would happen (I made a backup of the data first, of course). When I replaced the main battery and turned the unit on the bub had drained to about 35% charge, as expected, but my data was intact.
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Old 01-24-08, 10:51 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Bummer--I jumpstarted last night and left my X3i connected to the AC charger all night. After a hard reset, my bub is still showing Abnormal.

Since I was able to get it to 1.5 volts, I wouldn't think it would be "dead" dead.

Think it's worth jumpstarting again, or do you suspect the bub is toast?
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Old 01-26-08, 11:16 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Anyone know why my PDA no longer will respond to screen touches?
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Old 02-17-08, 12:56 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Backup battery won't take charge
I've followed the thread on the X3 backup battery discussion. I've also tried charging the unit with it "on," as described in Aximsite's Care & Use information.
The backup battery still refuses to charge, even though the main battery works fine.

I saw the one reply on finding the physical location of the backup battery and replacing it with a Varta v20 battery. How did that go? Or any other solutions since these 2005 postings? I would love to get rid of these "dangerously low" messages.

Thank you so much!
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Old 02-22-08, 12:13 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Axim X3 bub (Backup battery)
You can find the bub already assemble at PDASmart is the Axim Repair and Axim Parts Headquarters!
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Old 02-27-08, 04:22 PM   #60 (permalink)
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just bought the unit off someone..the bub appears to be dead (needs to reset after changing external batt, keep getting the warning, says bub failed)...but at times, while in the cradle & ext batt out..i do geta bub "normal"...does that mean there's hope? will it "jump start" after charging for a while...or does that not mean anythign. thanks.
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