Wifi Sniffer Programs?

Originally posted by Levon
Wififofum and ministumbler works flawlessly on x30, dont know about the others.

Does Ministumbler work with the X30's built-in WiFi or are you using an SDIO? It would be great to know how you config'd Ministumbler to work on the X30.

[Robert008]

Originally posted by hands0n
Does Ministumbler work with the X30's built-in WiFi or are you using an SDIO? It would be great to know how you config'd Ministumbler to work on the X30.

I'm using Ministumbler on my X30 mid, it works perfectly. Aswell i have wififofum and it works aswell, although i don't have the buttons appearing for radar etc. on the bottom of the screen...though the buttons are there, you just can't see them...clicking on them does work though...not a big issue with me..

[fordem]

Originally posted by whitelyt
Airscanner will not work for WM2003. It will only work on PPC2002. Also Airscanner is not a Wifi Sniffer. It is a Network Packet analyzer. Same with VxSniffer.

The term - Sniffer - which I think we can safely say originated with the Data General (now Network Associates) product of the same name - is a network analyser - that is what sniffer's are used for.

The latest version of NAI Sniffer supports WiFi - NAI Sniffer Wireless - with specific PCMCIA cards for which NAI have released their own drivers.

A lot of the software that people refer to as sniffers - MiniStumbler, WiFiFoFum, Pocket Winc, PocketWarrior - these are not sniffers - MiniStumbler, WiFiFoFum & Pocket Warrior are what I would term WiFi discovery & logging tools, PocketWinc is a connection manager

Originally posted by fordem
The term - Sniffer - which I think we can safely say originated with the Data General (now Network Associates) product of the same name - is a network analyser - that is what sniffer's are used for.

The latest version of NAI Sniffer supports WiFi - NAI Sniffer Wireless - with specific PCMCIA cards for which NAI have released their own drivers.

A lot of the software that people refer to as sniffers - MiniStumbler, WiFiFoFum, Pocket Winc, PocketWarrior - these are not sniffers - MiniStumbler, WiFiFoFum & Pocket Warrior are what I would term WiFi discovery & logging tools, PocketWinc is a connection manager

Right. I am a network admin among other things in the tech world and a sniffer in our world is a network analyzer. With PPCs you have both Airscanner and VxSniffer which is packet analyzers (or sniffers if you are a net admin) and then there is the wifi/hotspot detectors. Using all of them in the same sentence and calling all of them sniffers is quite misleading to some of us net admins.

Originally posted by Robert008
I'm using Ministumbler on my X30 mid, it works perfectly. Aswell i have wififofum and it works aswell, although i don't have the buttons appearing for radar etc. on the bottom of the screen...though the buttons are there, you just can't see them...clicking on them does work though...not a big issue with me..

I didn't like WiFiFoFum very much ..... Now have Ministumbler working on my X30 (it would help to turn on the wireless!!!). Like yours, it works fine on my X30 - discovering the wireless networks within reach. Now to go next door and upset my neighbour :-)

Originally posted by hands0n
Does Ministumbler work with the X30's built-in WiFi or are you using an SDIO? It would be great to know how you config'd Ministumbler to work on the X30.

Which person, in their right mind, would buy a SDIO WiFi card for a device that has built-in WiFi?

Originally posted by whitelyt
Right. I am a network admin among other things in the tech world and a sniffer in our world is a network analyzer. With PPCs you have both Airscanner and VxSniffer which is packet analyzers (or sniffers if you are a net admin) and then there is the wifi/hotspot detectors. Using all of them in the same sentence and calling all of them sniffers is quite misleading to some of us net admins.

Totally agree. Misleading not only to "net admins" but to lay folk reading the threads.

I first came to [albeit serial] "sniffers" back in bi-sync 3270 SNA and X.25 days (anyone remember them?) for protocol decodes. Today's LAN sniffers do much the same. Very complex programs indeed.

Progs like ministumbler and wififofum are most decidedly *not* sniffers. Not by even a long stretch! They would be utterly hopeless for anything more than merely locating the presence of a wireless network and [possibly] its approximate whereabouts.

Apart from the somewhat dubious entertainment value, not many [non-network] folk would understand the output from a sniffer let alone make practical use of it.

The original thread asked about suitable progs for wardriving/walking. A sniffer would not fit the purpose IMHO.

Lets not blur the lines between these two very different technologies.

Originally posted by Axim_in_Bottle
Which person, in their right mind, would buy a SDIO WiFi card for a device that has built-in WiFi?

It may have seemed a daft question but .......... I had tried several "stumblers" and couldn't get them to work with the X30. Not all the Dell Axims have built in WiFi ... hence my question! I know this is an X30 section of the forum ... but that hasn't stopped people posting about the other Axims, not all of which have built in WiFi.

Well, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it :-)

Originally posted by hands0n
Lets not blur the lines between these two very different technologies.

Though it may not have been clear to people that packet sniff and are into Wep cracking, I did get my answer within the first few responses. So it would seem that the majority of poeple got the question, and I certainly got my answer. Lighten up a bit. Without over analyzing it, you could clearly tell by the list of programs I referred to and the fact that I mentioned war-walking, what I was shooting for.

The comment was really started by me as I commented that AirScanner Mobile and the rest of the apps listed does two different things. This could be misleading to anyone else viewing this list thinking that Airscanner Mobile detects wifi networks when it doesn't. They would then waste their time trying to install it to find out that it doesn't do what they thought. I was only pointing out that difference as it is not differentiated in your post. Well at this point it doesn't matter because Airscanner Mobile is supported for PPC2002 and does not work for WM2003. Just clearing things up for all of the other viewers. :)

Originally posted by ZakVamosh
Im sure that this has been asked by now, but I'll blame my ignorance on being a first-time poster. Im an active wardriver, and am looking to do a little warwalking as well. I'd appriciate any input on programs that work best, and any known hardware compatibility issues. Im currently looking at PocketWinc, AirScanner Mobile, PocketWarrior, WiFiFoFum or MiniStumbler. Anyone know if any of these work, and whether it works well?

Coo !

Originally posted by ZakVamosh
Lighten up a bit. Without over analyzing it, you could clearly tell by the list of programs I referred to and the fact that I mentioned war-walking, what I was shooting for.

I'm light enough :-) Honestly. The analysis by whitelyt and myself could be worthwhile though, not least to lay folk.

While I could indeed see what you was shooting for [and I got some good PPC apps info out of the thread myself] ........ others may not hqve as the rest of the thread played itself out. So, to be helpful to those less in the know I really only wanted to help restore the blurring line [in this thread] betwixt the two technologies. Other budding war-walkers/drivers may be sidetracked with the talk of VXSniffer and the like. Just doing my bit to re-dress the balance. No offence intended.

Originally posted by hands0n
No offence intended.

Non taken. I was just screwing around... testing the waters, so to speak.

I agree with hands0n here. Even though it was obvious what the original poster meant (and I answered in that respect), we should still pay attention to use the proper terminology and help educate people in that matter who may not know the difference (as has been done in this thread, i hope).