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Old 08-07-07, 05:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Looking for A01 X50v Eng Rom Backup for Restoration

Hey All,

I'm looking for the A01 X50v Eng Rom backup for restoration. Any one would could post it to the forums download section or email it to me would receive my many thanks. Hope someone can lend a hand.

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Greetings peter64! Welcome to the MobilitySite Forums!

You may look at the Dell website for legitimate Axim ROM BIOS images to use for Restoration.

Mobilitysite does not host downloadable ROMs.

Good luck!
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Old 08-07-07, 09:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If you can't use the Dell one for whatever reason and need a direct ROM image, look hard enough on this forum and you will find a link. :)

I'm assuming you want x50v WM5 A01 (or do you need the WM2003 one)?

Also, it's possible to extract a ROM image from the Dell downloads. Unfortunately, the Aximsite moderators appear to have deleted that thread that explains how (Am I the first person to notice this??!) despite the procedure that used to be mentioned in that thread not breaking any laws or rules in itself. Oh well, I guess you're on your own if you need to flash manually now
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Old 08-08-07, 08:19 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think there is A02 is availble on dell.com
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Old 08-08-07, 09:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by rohanch View Post
If you can't use the Dell one for whatever reason and need a direct ROM image, look hard enough on this forum and you will find a link. :)
Greetings rohanch!

What please is your definition of a "direct ROM image"?
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Old 08-08-07, 09:39 PM   #6 (permalink)
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There is no A01 ROM on the Dell website, they start at the A02 WM2K3 ROM - and I grabbed all the roms as they came out so you're stuck with A02.

You will have to make do with that.

Why do you need A01? Are you looking to go back from WM5? If yes, then you go back to A05 WM2k3 with the restore utility.
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Old 08-08-07, 11:09 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Elrendhel View Post
Greetings rohanch!

What please is your definition of a "direct ROM image"?
I meant what is also known as a ROM image or ROM dump, I think basically an exact copy of the contents stored on the flash chip that can be flashed with the SD loader method. It probably isn't really an exact copy, so me using the term "direct" may be wrong, but basically I was referring to an .nb0 image that you flash manually.
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Old 08-09-07, 12:44 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by rohanch View Post
I meant what is also known as a ROM image or ROM dump, I think basically an exact copy of the contents stored on the flash chip that can be flashed with the SD loader method. It probably isn't really an exact copy, so me using the term "direct" may be wrong, but basically I was referring to an .nb0 image that you flash manually.
I figured that is what you meant, but I wanted to hear it directly from you. ROM dumps, like backups of your Desktop OS, are meant only for your personal use. That's why the thread was allowed initially. But then people begin talking about "trading" these images, and instantly the whole conversation begins treading on "the dark side".

If you wish to discuss such topics, you will need to take them elsewhere, as the owner of the site has banned "direct ROMs" and their discussion, due to their close relation to pirating and hacking (not a bad word in my vocabulary, but reverse engineering software that you agreed not to Reverse Engineer when you accepted the End User License Agreement for your PDA definitely casts a bad light on the title).

Your statement about "performing a search and you'll find one (direct ROM) if you look hard enough" is exactly the reason that I deleted the "other" thread in the first place. Way too much talk about compiling a library of cooked ROMs...
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Old 08-09-07, 12:46 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by bigbop View Post
There is no A01 ROM on the Dell website, they start at the A02 WM2K3 ROM - and I grabbed all the roms as they came out so you're stuck with A02.
The second hyperlink on the other end of the URL I posted above speaks to an A01 ROM...
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Old 08-09-07, 01:17 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Hi,

This site used to be fun to read.

A little much in the way of paranoia since the merger around here.

I understand when things violate policy but it looks as if threads are closed and deleted on the fear of someone posting against policy.

Reminds me of Minority Report of penalizing people before they commit a crime.
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Old 08-09-07, 08:14 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by harpgliss View Post
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Hello harpgliss!

Originally Posted by harpgliss
This site used to be fun to read.
The consensus is simply that we are holding users accountable now, whereas the attitude previously was laizez faire. I make no apology for expecting users to respect and follow the website & forum guidelines.

Originally Posted by harpgliss
A little much in the way of paranoia since the merger around here.
It's nowhere near paranoia, but we are legitimately concerned about the issue that websites can be shut-down by legal issues originating from the topics involving Blackhatting, so we simply chose to sacrifice the topic of "hacked" ROMs in order to remove ourselves from everyone's radar. We are allowing limited scope discussion on the issues, and will allow some latitude on the subject (as long as limits are not pushed or tested).

Originally Posted by harpgliss
I understand when things violate policy but it looks as if threads are closed and deleted on the fear of someone posting against policy.
I've never deleted a thread unless it actually broke with policy. I have deleted several dozen threads because users were actively engaged in discussing how to tear apart a ROM image and substitute certain programs. This qualifies as reverse engineering (and effectively is ROM hacking), which clearly goes against policy.

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Reminds me of Minority Report of penalizing people before they commit a crime.
The problem comes when a Moderator makes a decision that a thread DOES violate a policy, but users disagree. So the user doesn't think policy has been broken, but the Moderator does. In such instances, the users can appeal to the Website Administrator (and owner) Chris Leckness.

Of the several dozen threads I've deleted, there has only been two appeals, and in both cases the appeals were turned-down. I choose to look at this as vindication of my original decision, and confirmation that I am applying the rules and policy of this website in an "even-handed" way, which every Moderator should strive for.

On that note, I am truly sorry that this impacts you as much as it does, but I look forward to your continued contributions to the site forums. :)
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Old 08-09-07, 04:45 PM   #13 (permalink)
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A policy is a policy, no one is going to disagree with that. The question is, where do you draw the line? Is it your policy to treat esteemed members of this site with special preference and the rest of us with nothing? Take this thread for instance. This thread was closed for obvious reasons. But interestingly enough, the hyperlink to the hacked rom was not removed and was even acknowledged by the person who closed the thread. Will it be taken down now that I've pointed it out, or will it fall on deaf ears? I'm not appealing to anything, it's just curiosity and sense of fairplay that prompted me to point it out.

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Originally Posted by Elrendhel
the owner of the site has banned "direct ROMs" and their discussion, due to their close relation to pirating and hacking (not a bad word in my vocabulary, but reverse engineering software that you agreed not to Reverse Engineer when you accepted the End User License Agreement for your PDA definitely casts a bad light on the title).
I don't want to get into yet another argument here, but I never mentioned modified ROM dumps. I was talking about direct dumps of Dell's ROMs that have not been modified (hence the word direct again). I don't see any reverse engineering there.

Considering that everyone's ROM dump is the same, ROM dumps can (fairly) easily be extracted from the downloads on Dell's site, the downloads on Dell's site are free of charge to everyone and I could see no mention about not posting unmodified ROM images, I posted thinking that I wasn't breaking any rules. The main reason for posting a pre-prepared ROM image instead of instructions on how to make one yourself (which appear to have been deleted anyway...) is just because I don't want to make things more complicated for anyone than they need to be.

Nevertheless, distributing any ROM image without permission from the author (Dell/MS) does appear to be copyright infringement. But that has never occurred on this site, unless people posted ROMs as "attachments". Posting links to such ROMs (hacked or not) is not illegal as far as I'm aware (that's how XDA-Developers gets away with everything). And I don't think there is any law against discussion of anything.

If this site is genuinely worried about legal trouble, why is it that other clearly illegal topics continue on without any questioning at all? The Widcomm project is reverse engineering, copyright infringement, and unlike hacked ROMs, it causes a financial loss to Broadcom because Dell could have paid to have that software included in the axim but chose not to.

Topics about transferring DVDs to watch on your Axim break the terms of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act which clearly makes removing copyright protection technology (such as CSS on DVDs) illegal. Topics about downloading videos from youtube to watch on your PDA break YouTube's terms of use and again count as copyright infringement.

As dvmed posts, where exactly is Aximsite drawing the line?

By the way, "Blackhatting" is malicious hacking. It's usually used to describe hackers who break into websites, cause destruction and steal personal information. That's a rather harsh term to use since no ROM modifying on this site has ever been done in a malicious way. :)
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