JakeRich

Are those of you who are having the problem using Odyssey? I don't get the message. I use Odyssey, but before I switch from WiFi to BT or back or both, I disable Odyssey. Using that process I have only seen the memory message once (when I forgot to disable Odyssey).

catdog

Originally Posted by JakeRich

Are those of you who are having the problem using Odyssey? I don't get the message. I use Odyssey, but before I switch from WiFi to BT or back or both, I disable Odyssey. Using that process I have only seen the memory message once (when I forgot to disable Odyssey).

Yes, I actually use Odyssey and when the errors become too frequent I need to disable it. It is most likely the interaction between Odyssey and WLAN/card driver that is causing the issues seen here.
My memory readings after soft reset with Odyssey enabled are as follows:
Storage Allocated/used/free
18.91/11.52/7.39
Program
42.84/20.28/22.56

Blegate_x50v

Originally Posted by JakeRich

Why? Soft resets fix a lot of problems with errant software. They are a fact of life. I soft reset at least ten times each day. It's not a big deal.

Jake- I don't mean to come across negative here but resetting your PDA 10 times per day is not acceptable. If you are truely resetting 10 times per day (that's about 300 times a month give or take) I would have to believe your PDA is defective and should be called in. Personally I can live with resetting my PDA once a week. I've had several other PDA's in the past and I've never heard of having to reset soooo many times.

Peace.....
brian

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JakeRich

Originally Posted by Blegate_x50v

Jake- I don't mean to come across negative here but resetting your PDA 10 times per day is not acceptable. If you are truely resetting 10 times per day (that's about 300 times a month give or take) I would have to believe your PDA is defective and should be called in. Personally I can live with resetting my PDA once a week. I've had several other PDA's in the past and I've never heard of having to reset soooo many times. Peace..... brian

I have a lot of apps on my PDA and not all of them are compatible with each other. That's just one of the facts of life. So, I end up with deadly embraces, frozen screens, unresponsive machines all the time. Soft reset is just like the CTRL-ALT-DEL on a PC--no big deal. It has the benefit of killing misbehaving apps, recovering memory leaks, defragmenting memory and generally improving performance. It only takes a few seconds and only requires minimal handling (The X5 was better, with that handy button on the side, but the little hole isn't bad.)

My PDA is NOT defective, I just put a lot of stress on it. I do the same with my Laptop. I reboot it several times a day, too. Sometimes the two get hammered together, which means I C-A-D one and Soft Reset the other to get them back to polite behavior. In my normal, quiet day, I'm logged into a network on my laptop, tunnelled in via VPN to my company, with the Axim in a cradle using Activesync to sync to Outlook and mNotes to sync to Lotus Notes. I sometimes then fire up WiFi from the cradle to see what networks I can see operating. TCP/IP gets lost on a regular basis! No big deal, I soft reset and get control back.

I also beta test and review software on the X50, so I'm always installing immature software that crashes it, too. I'm a power user, so I do expect to see problems. I backup a couple of times a day, usually just before I install the NEXT package, so even hard resetting is not that traumatic.

Soft resetting ten times a day is perfectly acceptable to me, given my circumstances. Soft resetting a couple of times a day would be a good practice for any PPC owner, if only to recover memory leaks and defragment memory. It's houskeeping.

Blegate_x50v

Originally Posted by JakeRich

I have a lot of apps on my PDA and not all of them are compatible with each other. That's just one of the facts of life. So, I end up with deadly embraces, frozen screens, unresponsive machines all the time. Soft reset is just like the CTRL-ALT-DEL on a PC--no big deal. It has the benefit of killing misbehaving apps, recovering memory leaks, defragmenting memory and generally improving performance. It only takes a few seconds and only requires minimal handling (The X5 was better, with that handy button on the side, but the little hole isn't bad.) My PDA is NOT defective, I just put a lot of stress on it. I do the same with my Laptop. I reboot it several times a day, too. Sometimes the two get hammered together, which means I C-A-D one and Soft Reset the other to get them back to polite behavior. In my normal, quiet day, I'm logged into a network on my laptop, tunnelled in via VPN to my company, with the Axim in a cradle using Activesync to sync to Outlook and mNotes to sync to Lotus Notes. I sometimes then fire up WiFi from the cradle to see what networks I can see operating. TCP/IP gets lost on a regular basis! No big deal, I soft reset and get control back. I also beta test and review software on the X50, so I'm always installing immature software that crashes it, too. I'm a power user, so I do expect to see problems. I backup a couple of times a day, usually just before I install the NEXT package, so even hard resetting is not that traumatic. Soft resetting ten times a day is perfectly acceptable to me, given my circumstances. Soft resetting a couple of times a day would be a good practice for any PPC owner, if only to recover memory leaks and defragment memory. It's houskeeping.

Now I get it you beta software - enough said. Totally understandable why you have to reset so much. But you have to admit for most typical user (some power users) that resetting multiple times per day would be a hassle for them.
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JakeRich

Actually, soft resetting a couple of times a day would be a good practice to start using. As I said, it recovers memory lost to memory leaks, it defragments the memory and generally improves performance by tidying up the memory allocation. As I said, it's good housekeeping.

Blegate_x50v

Originally Posted by JakeRich

Actually, soft resetting a couple of times a day would be a good practice to start using. As I said, it recovers memory lost to memory leaks, it defragments the memory and generally improves performance by tidying up the memory allocation. As I said, it's good housekeeping.

JackRich- you crack me up! You won't waver from your method of doing things which is cool. Yes you are correct that resetting does free up memory, etc. My goal is once a week.


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Kash76

I go days without restarting my PC's. I should be able to do the same with my PPC.

If I were beta testing like you I would be more forgiving. I run a lot of programs and 90% of my resets are caused by this problem, I just want it fixed like many others :)

As a software developer myself, I hate problems like this. I would get nailed to the wall for letting this go on for as long as it has.

catdog

Originally Posted by JakeRich

Actually, soft resetting a couple of times a day would be a good practice to start using. As I said, it recovers memory lost to memory leaks, it defragments the memory and generally improves performance by tidying up the memory allocation. As I said, it's good housekeeping.

Coming from Linux world I understand that Bill Gates's marketing arm did brainwashing well. I am not a devoted Linux catholic and use Win more often than Lin but out of ten servers under my jurisdiction the longest up and running is up for 380 days now, without a single reboot. Lots of beta software went there, used for heavy testing- never needed a restart unless a new kernel came out.
So stability is achievable but must be made a goal of a company that develops the software- which M$ definitely does not have in their periscope. They need to sell. And soft reset is something that users put up with especially when it takes only 20 secs...
But hey- maybe Dell will come up with some pre-Xmas patch surprise?

mfowler

I came from the plam world and had experienced the same error with my toshiba e805 and assumed it was just another piece of broken software from the folks in Seattle - I sprung for the NEW x50 when it came out. All was well until I put voice command on ( in main memory - only other things that are there are Pocket Breeze, Memmaid and Journal Bar everyting else in in built in storage) - I do have a good sized My Docs folder. I was running about 7meg in storage and 22 in Programs - I uninstalled Voice Command. Now the memory settings are 22 on programs all most 10 in storage - Let just say I have over 30 megs available - everything works fine. I have tried different allocations and anything on either side above 3.8 and both work together no problem (after that the ppc just splits the memory but still launches) - sounds like to me Dell didnt shell out for enough main memory and the wireless and Bluetooth stacks require aleast say 30 megs in main ram just to start(Hmmm? 10% of 30 is 3). What I find strange is after they are running I report they are only using about 3 meg? - Is there a checksum somewhere maybe in the registry that we could turn down allow both stacks to start with a lower memory requirement? I also have the registry hack in place - Just Some Thoughts? :approve:
Cheers, Mike

PS - Want to test the theroy free up 30 megs in main memory and does the problem go away?

JakeRich

Originally Posted by Blegate_x50v

JackRich- you crack me up! You won't waver from your method of doing things which is cool. Yes you are correct that resetting does free up memory, etc. My goal is once a week. Brian

I've been in the IT business for almost 30 years. Hacked my first computer before the original IBM PC. It was a Radio Shack TRS-80 that I converted to run CP/M. I've learned that some things don't change--restarts generally are a good thing to do every once in a while, memory is THE constraint and BETA software WILL crash eventually. Resets are a fact of life as long as you use M$ software. I've run Linux (version 0.2 was my first one :approve: ) and it has certainly come a long way. I even ran a dual boot Win/WARP OS2 box. That was a sweet machine!

You are right, I don't change my practices easily because most of them have been learned in the School of Hard Knocks. Scars create determination! :approve:

methcatus

just curious to see if people are still having problems with this. mine gets the "unknown" error about every 2 days, then i soft reset and have to physically "turn on" wlan. i noticed that alot of people were having theirs replaced and alot were waiting for the "update". could you guys chime in and let us know how many are waiting and dealing vs. how many think it's are hardware issue and needs to be returned?

methcatus

i'm now assuming this poll was for primarily BT problems. I voted due to the wlan not starting up, claiming an unrecognized card. the only things i have on my axim are enigmo and weather panel, both of which are installed on my CF card. personally, i cant' see how anyone would think soft resets should be expected for a basically factory axim every 1-2 days.... i didn't even deal with that when i had windows me... and that was one of the crappiest os's i know of.

methcatus

good idea for apoll btw.... appreciate learning both sides.

ckshaf012

I experience this quite a bit as well. After I run several programs, Agenda Fusion and Pocket Informant, I get the error message when I launch the WIFI app.