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Old 01-12-06, 10:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Can I add a GSM chip to my axim 50v?
It's probably a crazy question but I'm just curious. I have an axim 50v and I sometimes use it to make phone calls (voip) with a software I downloaded and I use my companies softswitch to make the calls. But this can only happen if I'm connected to the Internet via Wireless. I was wondering if exists a product that connects physically to my axim where I can insert a GSM chip and be able to make calls using a GSM cellular company.

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Old 01-12-06, 10:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yes, I think both cingular and T-mobile offer GSM CF modems. However, I would wait. GSM providers are in the process of migrating to WCDMA. You will get much better data rates with a WCDMA card.

Also a much less expensive solution would be to just pick up a BT enabled phone and you dont have to give up your CF slot.
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Old 01-13-06, 12:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I think he meant a chip like a ram chip. External - yes. Internal - as far as I know, normal people wont have the skills or equipment to do so. PPC Tech has equipment to make their modifications on chips but they dont do these cellular add-ons. Also, there are lots of physical compatibility involved as well as you need to somehow get a SIM slot and an antenna (even if its internal).
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Old 01-13-06, 01:43 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I'd like to know if I can add a GPS chip to my axim.
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Old 01-13-06, 02:49 AM   #5 (permalink)
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You can buy GPRS CompactFlash card which would allow you to use your Axim as a phone. Actually that's what I do.
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Old 01-13-06, 03:45 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by picopir8
Yes, I think both cingular and T-mobile offer GSM CF modems. However, I would wait. GSM providers are in the process of migrating to WCDMA. You will get much better data rates with a WCDMA card.

Also a much less expensive solution would be to just pick up a BT enabled phone and you dont have to give up your CF slot.
No they're not. CDMA is only used in North America, the rest of the world is running GSM. The companies offering CDMA in North America are going to be switching to GSM. At the moment CDMA is better, but a world wide uniform standard just makes more sense. Get an unlocked Quad Band GSM\GPRS Compact Flash card online and you could use it all over the world. Check out Expansys, they sell a few different models. Tri Band is cheaper but will only work in North America and Europe. I also dont think getting a bluetooth phone would be any cheaper unless you want one of those **** 2-3 year contracts. Plus that would require carrying around two devices instead of one.

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Old 01-13-06, 04:15 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I wonder how these are on battery life. Anyone know? Also, are there any known to work with the x51v?
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Old 01-13-06, 08:06 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Lofty
No they're not. CDMA is only used in North America, the rest of the world is running GSM.
Read closely, I said "WCDMA". WCDMA is one of the 3G standards, CDMA is 2G much like GSM. BTW, CDMA is also used in several countries in South America and Asia though is was not nearly as popular as GSM.

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The companies offering CDMA in North America are going to be switching to GSM.
This is just plain incorrect. The CDMA migration path is towards CDMA-2000 and the GSM migration path is to WCDMA. However, a number of CDMA carriers are also migrating to WCDMA.

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Get an unlocked Quad Band GSM\GPRS Compact Flash card online and you could use it all over the world. Check out Expansys, they sell a few different models. Tri Band is cheaper but will only work in North America and Europe.
This too is incorrect. Most triband phones use 900/1800/1900. Quadband adds the 850MHz band. The 850MHz band is the old US analog band which is now being used by carries to provide 2G service. However some carrier such as T-Mobile (in the US) only use the 1800MHz and so they need not offer phones that are quadband. However, you will have limited roaming options with them while in the US.

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I also dont think getting a bluetooth phone would be any cheaper unless you want one of those bullshit 2-3 year contracts. Plus that would require carrying around two devices instead of one.
First, most people carry a cellphone for voice calls. Things may have changed, but the last I checked, the CF cards were data only. So most people would carry a phone anyway. Secondly, nearly every phone offered today is BT enabled, even the cheep ones. Handsets are also much more prevalent and will likely cost less than a CF card since they are in greater supply.
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Old 01-13-06, 08:17 AM   #9 (permalink)
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As well mentioned, there are definitely GSM/GPRS CF cards available for your purposes. However, because of battery issues, they are only practical for occasional data or voice use; leaving your Axim on all the time (to receive calls, etc.) will drain your battery in no time. If that limitation is fine wiht you, then this might be a solution for you. If not, consider BT or wired connection to your phone. PDA to phone cables are available at gomadic.com and thesupplynet.
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Old 01-15-06, 06:28 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by picopir8
Read closely, I said "WCDMA". WCDMA is one of the 3G standards, CDMA is 2G much like GSM. BTW, CDMA is also used in several countries in South America and Asia though is was not nearly as popular as GSM.
In cellular service there are two main competing network technologies: Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM) and Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA). Cellular carriers use one or the other.

You are talking about HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access) also known as W-CDMA and yes you are right it is a 3G standard used by GSM, its not compatible with CDMA.

CDMA is used elsewhere, I wasnt being acurute. But the largest CDMA networks are in North America. Europe and Asia decided to use just one standard, GSM. South America and other parts of the world followed the US's example and went with mostly CDMA, but they are alredy switching to GSM to go along with the rest of the world. GSM is available in more places. Thats the point I was trying to make. It just makes more sense to go with a GSM device.

Originally Posted by picopir8
This is just plain incorrect. The CDMA migration path is towards CDMA-2000 and the GSM migration path is to WCDMA. However, a number of CDMA carriers are also migrating to WCDMA.
We already have CDMA-2000 and it's called EVDO, it's CDMA’s answer to GSM's EDGE. Its currently the fatest data network available.


Originally Posted by picopir8
This too is incorrect. Most triband phones use 900/1800/1900. Quadband adds the 850MHz band. The 850MHz band is the old US analog band which is now being used by carries to provide 2G service. However some carrier such as T-Mobile (in the US) only use the 1800MHz and so they need not offer phones that are quadband. However, you will have limited roaming options with them while in the US.
No not ture. Originally, the US used only 1900 MHz for its GSM cell phone service. In the last year or so, there has been a growing amount of GSM service on the 850 MHz band. This type of service will usually be seen in rural areas, because the 850 MHz band has better range than the 1900 MHz band.

Initially, most countries with GSM service used the 900 MHz band. In the past few years, service providers have increasingly been adding 1800 MHz coverage, due to congestion in the 900 MHz band.

So for complete coverage around the world with a GSM phone you would need a quad band phone that does 850/900/1800 and 1900 MHz. Going quad band just gives you more choice.


Originally Posted by picopir8
First, most people carry a cellphone for voice calls. Things may have changed, but the last I checked, the CF cards were data only. So most people would carry a phone anyway. Secondly, nearly every phone offered today is BT enabled, even the cheep ones. Handsets are also much more prevalent and will likely cost less than a CF card since they are in greater supply.
Things have changed, try doing a little more research before you open your mouth next time. Most Compact Flash cards do data and voice, so no you wouldnt need to carry 2 devices.

I priced it out, an unlocked phone with bluetooth and quad band gsm goes for just as much if not more than a GSM compact flash card. Check out Expansys if your interested. You can get Enfora's Quad Band GSM Compact Flash Card for $229.99. It also comes with a PCMCIA adaptor so you can use it with your laptop.

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Old 01-15-06, 11:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Does Anyone mind if I chip in? I actually sell cellular phones for a living plus I'm a little more unbiased.

To an extent you are both correct but some things have been misconstrued.

GSM-Is the current global standard for Wireless communication. With approximately 73% of the worlds' cellular population if you will. It has the potential of being one of the greatest inventions of all time. Its bandwidth sharing technology is far more reliable than CDMA, TDMA, and analog. Also, because of the 850MHz band, reception in major urban areas and in cement enclosed areas has grown by leaps and bounds.

CDMA- the evolution of the analog networks (1G) that became popular in North America, but due to its bandwith sharing glitches it can often be peaky, and unlreliable.

W-CDMA- The New 3G Standard. The Evolution of GSM. This is what they've been promising us for years, however don't expect every company to convert their networks overnight, I mean there are still analog networks because of this.

As far as the CF GSM card goes, its important to look for one that has the 850MHz, and 1900MHz bands as those are the frequencies that are active in North America. That being said, if you travel internationally or live in Europe/Asia, a Quad-Band Card would be a must do to the varying operating frequencies from country to country.

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Both Audiovox and Enfora make GSM/GPRS CF cards; however, battery life on a stand-alone cell phone is better, plus you would have to use a headset with the CF option. Still, it is an entertaining thought.
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Old 01-18-06, 05:56 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Hey guys!

Thanks for all the info. I think I found a CF modem that will work.

http://www.shopping.com/xPC-Global_M...m?PG=1&Z=33069

Please take a look and confirm that this will work on my axim X50v

Thanks,

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Old 01-30-06, 07:42 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Lofty, give it up you are providing more misinformation and inaccuracies than anything else. Normally I would not mind but dont try to school me ont the topic as I have 8 years of engineering experience on CDMA (aka cdmaOne),GSM,TDMA,iDEN,CDMA-2000,and W-CDMA. I have a comlete library of books and standards binders and have been to countless seminars and classes on the matter.

Originally Posted by Lofty
In cellular service there are two main competing network technologies: Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM) and Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA). Cellular carriers use one or the other.

You are talking about HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access) also known as W-CDMA and yes you are right it is a 3G standard used by GSM, its not compatible with CDMA.
GSM and CDMA two 2G standards which are getting phased out. W-CDMA is NOT "used by GSM". W-CDMA is an entirely new standard. And no, HSDMA is NOT the same thing as W-CDMA. HSDPA is a substandard within W-CDMA. Not all W-CDMA phones will support HSDPA, but all HSDPA phones are W-CDMA phones.

You are correct thact it is not compatable with CDMA, but I never said it was.


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We already have CDMA-2000 and it's called EVDO, it's CDMA’s answer to GSM's EDGE. Its currently the fatest data network available.
Again you are mistaken. EVDO is not the same thing as CDMA-2000, it is an addition to the original standard. Not all CDMA-2000 phones support EVDO. EVDO is a 3G technology EDGE is 2G. Soon EVDV devices will be released which will add a high speed uplink channel.

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No not