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Old 11-05-05, 07:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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X50V/WM5 Post-Hard-Reset

I installed the WM5 upgrade+AS4.x and have been trying to embrace it painfully like most users, but I have hope to get use to the new architecture and hopefully help the developers moving forward.

Learning about WM5 and Persistent storage, which is a major design change in WM5, WM5/PS to help my data/programs/settings, etc. survive across hard reset.

HOWEVER....

Today, I installed few programs (WorldmatePro, Citytime). Few minutes later, I found a blank screen and sudden hard-reset is invoked.

After my hard-reset, my PIM data indeed was there, however all my add-on programs are not really usable. There is no entries in start-program, all 3rd party Today-plugins are not there. I am sure all the directories are there, but so what..Their run-time environment is not there...Therefore unuseable.

ONLY built-in programs (Calendar, Contacts, etc..) are useable.

Fortunately, I did a backup using the built-in utility (BTW, very slow and buggy). So I painfully restore (takes forever..) and finally recovered...

I am now thinking, what is the purpose of WM5/Persistent storage if I still have to keep a backup as before. if I have a hard-reset, I still have to restore as before...And now with WM5, programs are much more unstable, slow...because mostly of PS.

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I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that a hard reset (done by simultaneously pressing the reset and power buttons) is still supposed to reset the registry to the default settings which means any programs that require a registry setting would no longer work. A power loss, however, is not supposed to result in a hard reset like used to happen.

I quess I'm also wondering why you did a hard reset because of a blank screen. Did a soft reset not work?
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Old 11-05-05, 09:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Ike hit the nail on the head. I think the more appropriate question is: what would be the point of a hard reset if it didn't wipe out all of the data? :rolling:
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hard reset supposed to wipe out your information
the advantage of WM 5 is that data will not be lost because your battery is drain :)
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After I got the WSoD, hard-reset just automatically invoked.

My point here is:

1-With WM2003, I carry a backup and when my unit is out of power, hard-reset happens and I just restore my backup. If a sudden hard reset, I'd do the same thing

2-With WM5 now, I have to do exactly the same for sudden hard-reset (like what happened to me earlier)

Perhaps with WM5, in case power runs out I might be able to save a restore. But I don't know what the state of the device after it is charged back up. Does you unit remember all your settings like before or just looks like a hard-reset with your PIM data survived but all your add-on programs are unusable?

Conclusion: WM5/PS only benefits people who don't have a backup on their device and they run out of power...

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Old 11-05-05, 10:40 PM   #6 (permalink)
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At least with the x51v if you completely drain the battery, when you charge it and restart you will go through a soft reset and be back where you were as to all installed data and programs. (If you left a program running without saving the data that data would be lost since it was in ram)
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Originally Posted by Hiatus
hard reset supposed to wipe out your information
the advantage of WM 5 is that data will not be lost because your battery is drain :)
Just carry a backup on your storage card or on your BIS. You 'd save $50 and lots of headache... (at least for now...) :)
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SolSie, how did your device hard-reset? Was it due to an incompatible program? Running out of power or yanking out the battery will cause a soft-reset, not do a hard-reset.

On the WM5, when you run out of power and then restore power, it'll just be like a soft-reset: all your stored programs are still there but programs that were running will not longer to running.
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Originally Posted by badbob001
SolSie, how did your device hard-reset? Was it due to an incompatible program? Running out of power or yanking out the battery will cause a soft-reset, not do a hard-reset.

On the WM5, when you run out of power and then restore power, it'll just be like a soft-reset: all your stored programs are still there but programs that were running will not longer to running.
It was a sudden hard reset. I guess perhaps due to some programs I installed just prior to this.

I did test a power drained 100% and wait for 30mn. As you said, as soon as I put a new battery in, everything is back even without any reset. :approve:
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