All these X51v/WM5 problems are due to 3rd party incompatible software?

cricmate · 11-23-05, 11:31 AM

It seems so. I got a brand new x51v, which was working awsome. No problems at all for last 3 weeks. No power problem, no soft reboot(except when some other old program crashes). I had loads of softwares installed. But taday I started to have problems like "not turning on", "white screen of death". I was thinking , that means x51v is infact buggy. But then what I did was uninstall last 3 installed programs. And voila, its working nice like earlier.

rsx · 11-23-05, 11:32 AM

What three programs did you uninstall?

cricmate · 11-23-05, 01:43 PM

Actually I unistalled the following four programs. One of them is the culprit. I am not sure, but most probably the first one.

WordBook English Dictionary.
Arvale Ocean of Time.
Snail.
Resco Table Soccer.

11-23-05, 02:15 PM

I agree that there is mounting evidence that buggy 3rd party software is responsible for some of the issues being reported. I run a select set of programs and my x51v is remarkably stable in comparison to the problems others are having.

Part of the problem is that many programmers lack the tools to properly test their software. Since they can not afford to own every PDA out there, they rely on the WM5 emulator. Unfortunately, something running under emulation is does not gurantee it will run on an X50v or X51v. I have had more than one developer say "that's odd, it seems to be running fine in the emulator" and yet the program does something odd or fails to run on my x51v. Right now, I am sticking with programs that have been stable across several versions of WM and those where the developer claims to owns a x51v. It really helps to find developers that are active in the forums. In most cases, they are much more responsive to user needs and readily available when a problem arises.

It is harder to locate software that does work properly with WM5 because the compatibility lists include programs that users say work OK. Unfortunately, OK to some people means that there may be some anomolies and these may be causing all kinds of unseen havok in the OS.

11-23-05, 03:41 PM

I have WordBook English Dictionary installed in mine too, I'll try removing it and see how it works, as of right now I'm starting to hate the x51v with all the card and power problems

davarei · 11-23-05, 03:48 PM

Sept, I only have loaded what came out of the box.
w/ the golf and race car game . . . .
And still the issues.
Suppose I can try to chop them out . . . .
I say that it is driver issues. Not full blown crap shoot, but close.

dildevad · 11-23-05, 03:53 PM

I agree the 3rd party software is a problem. I had to reset my 51v all the time. I did two hard resets and then installed only salect programs that I always use. It worked great. Then I installed calcnote and all my troubles started again.

I uninstalled it and I haven't had a problem since.

davarei · 11-23-05, 03:59 PM

I was thinking [with only minor pain] about the 3rd party concept.
The programs would have to be running programs to create an issue.
otherwise, they are simply memory fillers. Unless they install over something. They aren't active.
So, when you go into memory to close all open programs, one of them would need to be there. Right?
Well, I noticed something odd when I went into close the programs.
My ActiveSynch was . . . active. Even though I did a reset earlier.
So, I closed it. Ran a program. Checked again.
It's back up and running.
Maybe not the cause of my pain, but enough to make me wonder why it's up.

rsx · 11-23-05, 04:02 PM

Have you set AS to sync only on manual schedule?

JeffFlowerday · 11-23-05, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by davarei

Sept, I only have loaded what came out of the box.
w/ the golf and race car game . . . .
And still the issues.
Suppose I can try to chop them out . . . .
I say that it is driver issues. Not full blown crap shoot, but close.

I removed the golf game it was real unstable for me.

11-23-05, 04:32 PM

I use Splash Photo. It has not caused my any issues. However, I was suprised to find that it has a related startup in the startup folder. So, even if I am not running the program, it still loads something into memory that might effect another program or the system itself. Therefore, saying a program is not running and should not be problem, might be a mistake.

11-23-05, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by davarei

I was thinking [with only minor pain] about the 3rd party concept.
The programs would have to be running programs to create an issue.
otherwise, they are simply memory fillers. Unless they install over something. They aren't active.
So, when you go into memory to close all open programs, one of them would need to be there. Right?
Well, I noticed something odd when I went into close the programs.
My ActiveSynch was . . . active. Even though I did a reset earlier.
So, I closed it. Ran a program. Checked again.
It's back up and running.
Maybe not the cause of my pain, but enough to make me wonder why it's up.

Check the WM5 fixes thread on this site. There is a fix to stop AS from running when you are not connected.

MCMANNUS · 11-23-05, 04:35 PM

Explain to me how a crippled bluetooth is due to 3d party programs

EngrPaul · 11-23-05, 05:00 PM

Definitely no. All my problems were before I could install any programs.

rsx · 11-23-05, 05:57 PM

Obviously there are glitches in 3rd party programs not tested on this particular handheld.

However the slow performance and AS startup problems are probably due to Dell's implementation of the OS.

And the BT problem may be a primary OS (Microsoft) problem. Who knows when or how that will be corrected.

We'll have to wait (hopefully not toooooo long) for Dell to better implement the OS.

Anyone know if these problems occur on other handhelds running WM5 (there are a number of i-mate units that do)? That would tell us if it is a Dell implementation problem or a primary OS problem.