Hmm...I'm still not getting a clear answer to my origional quesiton. I am starting to get the idea that bluetooth hardware (in PDA's) is all the same. The difference comes with the software. SO...it IS possible that someday the x51v's Bluetooth will function in a way that wont make people complain. All Dell has to do is change the software that they are using.
I dont yet have an axim. I dont want to buy something that is crippled on the hardware side (which cannot be updated). If this is simply a software cripple, it has hope of being fixed. Right?
Yes it is software based. The X51v uses Microsoft's BT stack, which has less features (most notably, at least for me, the inability to use BT stereo headphones) than the Broadcom BT stack used in the X50 WM2003. People are trying to put the Broadcom stack into the X51v, although so far unsuccessful, it is not out of the realm of possibility. There will most likely be a fix/update sometime down the line.
So no, no one is complaining about the hardware.
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Yes it is software based. The X51v uses Microsoft's BT stack, which has less features (most notably, at least for me, the inability to use BT stereo headphones) than the Broadcom BT stack used in the X50 WM2003. People are trying to put the Broadcom stack into the X51v, although so far unsuccessful, it is not out of the realm of possibility. There will most likely be a fix/update sometime down the line.
So no, no one is complaining about the hardware.
Without trying to confuse matters the microsoft stack has most of the profiles we need, dell decided in their wisdom to remove most of them! Dell could release an update to fix most of the bluetooth issues when they want.
Without trying to confuse matters the microsoft stack has most of the profiles we need, dell decided in their wisdom to remove most of them! Dell could release an update to fix most of the bluetooth issues when they want.
Why did they wanna do that????? Make our life miserable? :rolling:
Without trying to confuse matters the microsoft stack has most of the profiles we need, dell decided in their wisdom to remove most of them! Dell could release an update to fix most of the bluetooth issues when they want.
What exactly is most of them? Microsoft admits that A2DP is not supported yet and neither is printing. The only thing that seems odd to me is the lack of hands free. Surely the WM5 equiped cell phones have that feature. But how is hands free a PDA feature? I suppose the same people who would pay a buck to download music to their cell phones might want to pay $100 to have a mono ear piece on a PDA.
The short answer is: right now the Dell Axim x50/x51 series with WM5 are crippled in functionality. The older WM2003SE OS uses a Widcomm stack and is more functional, but unavailable to x51 series owners. x50 series owners can downgrade back to WM2003SE if they have upgraded to WM5. Eventually (hopefully this March) Dell will release the AKU 2.0 update for WM5 which apparently adds push email as well as more profiles for the Microsoft BT stack. AKU 2.0 was released to device OEMs in early December 2005 but each OEM has to implement it with their specific hardware. Note that there is a rumor flying that the BT stack update MAY NOT come with AKU 2.0 - instead it is slated for AKU 2.2!!! Let's hope not....
So, if I had a x51v (which i'm about to buy), how would I go about updating it when this update comes out from MS? Or should I wait until this update is released and new models are shipping with it? I really dont want to buy something that is dysfunctional..... :rolling:
What exactly is most of them? Microsoft admits that A2DP is not supported yet and neither is printing. The only thing that seems odd to me is the lack of hands free. Surely the WM5 equiped cell phones have that feature. But how is hands free a PDA feature? I suppose the same people who would pay a buck to download music to their cell phones might want to pay $100 to have a mono ear piece on a PDA.
Well, I just had a bluetooth carkit installed in my car, it also has a BT GPS reciever built-in.
The idea was to use the carkit's built-in reciever with the Dell GPS software on my Axim X51v. Apart from that I wanted the voice directions of the navigation to go through the carkit hence over my car speakers, suppressing radio and calls at that time. The carkit (Parrot CK3300, http://www.parrot.biz/guide_chm/CK3X00/index.html) is capable of doing that.
Unfortunately my X51v fails to establish a connection, both with the carkit (handsfree) and the GPS reciever in the carkit. It kinda sucks because I paid $70 more to have those two features (voice direction over speakers and built-in GPS reciever) in the carkit.
I've had my axim since oct 2005. I initially purchased the pda, so that i can use my Motorola Razar BT capability to connect the pda, so that i can dial phone # right out of my pda. But i haven't been able to do that. My previous pda was a palm tungsten E (no blue tooth, but IRA) and i was able to use my sony ericson t610 and nokia 6200 to dial via IRA.
But i'm having trouble w/ the axim and razar.
I even purchased pocket informant, b/c they said you can use this program to dial via BT. and i'm still having trouble. I contacted Pocket informant Cust. Service, they said it's not a problem w/ their software, it's the software that came w/ the axim. So the finger points to either win mobile, or dell ROM. i can't figure it out. I even tried 3rd party dialer w/o success.
So, if I had a x51v (which i'm about to buy), how would I go about updating it when this update comes out from MS? Or should I wait until this update is released and new models are shipping with it? I really dont want to buy something that is dysfunctional..... :rolling:
The update will come as part of a new ROM image. You'll find loads of posts about updating, but basically you d/l the file, run it with the Axim in the cradle and it does the business! The downside is it wipes the memory in the process, so you need a good backup to restore afterwards (or time to re-install all your programs).
Bluetooth internet sharing I have not done yet because: There is some configuration problem on the laptop that keeps me from enabling sharing. Its says the IP address is alread in use. On my work PC the IT gouls have that grayed out and I have not been able to get around their security.
You have to be connected to Bluetooth Networking in order to be able to request for an IP address from your laptop. Are you saying that you were actually able to connect to the X51 Bluetooth Networking let alone discover the Bluetooth Networking profile? As far as I know, Bluetooth Networking or PAN isn't supported with the X51 present crippled stack. I'm just curious, what discoverable services does your laptop find on your X51. Screenshots please.
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From reading some manufactures web sites it is a know issue that WM5 does not support these devices.
..... This is supose to be part of the next WM5 upgrade from Microsoft with something called A2DP support.
It's not WM5 that doesn't support a majority of bluetooth headphones, it's the microsoft bluetooth stack that doesn't. A2DP works with the widcomm stack found on WM5 devices (eg. Ipaq-hx2490). Yes A2DP support was supposed to be part of AKU 2.0 but that might not be the case (we might see that in AKU2.2)
Here are some screenshots of bluetooth networking and some features.
1. Widcomm connection wizard
2. Widcomm bluetooth networking (PAN)
I have not looked at this thread for a while and I see I have some responces. Thanks!
Dvmed:
I don't have my laptop with me and I will not be able to try this for a couple of days. But if I remember I will try again and get you screen shots. If I remember right the only services that appear are a file transfer and a serial link. I would think that a serial link is all you need but I won't be sure until I get it to work.
Schussboelie:
I agree and would like to have a car radio with A2DP and there are a few. Hey its new and not well supported. That is what I was going for and being on the bleading edge means not everyting is going to work. You know what I would also like a digital cammera that supports bluetooth, but I have not seen that yet either.
jigsaw:
Thanks for the list.
Microsoft is well known for doing this. waiting for somebody else to develop something, useing somebody's product, then ripping them off and offering their own verson. Usually there version is not as good, especially in the beginning. Disk tools, compression, Internet Explorer to name a few. Oh and expect Microsofts to implementation to be somewhat different and a lot less flexible. I doubt you'll be defining port speeds......
Bluetooth hardware is essentially the same in most devices. It's the control software that makes all the difference. The "stack" is the software implementation of the protocol that BT uses. Each vendor uses software that contains this stack in their chosen configuration. In the case of the X51, the stack is included in WM5 by Microsoft, and it kind of stinks. If someone could find a way to put the Widcomm BT software from the X50 on it, that would be great.
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