REAL graffiti 1 support for windows mobile 5?

[Axim Guy]

I went from a Palm Tungsten T3 to the X51v a few weeks ago after 3-4 years of using Palm OS devices. I did find that the block recognizer didn't seem to pick up on my graffiti very well. I was getting pretty frustrated with it, so I switched to letter recognizer, which I picked up in no time, and I've been loving it ever since.

[Khris]

the fact of the matter is, real graffiti 1 is just plain more efficient than block recogniser. it takes less effort, and can recognise your scribbles much easier.

I have to disagree. I've had no issues with getting used to BR, nor has it decreased my writing ability in any way.

[AKAJohnDoe]

Kamel, rather than stating "the fact of the matter is" it would be more accurate to state "for me". After all, it is only your opinion.

In any case, I absolutely loved going to the BR from the G2 on a T3; it was like getting back G1 for all practical purposes. Of course, there was the unlearning needed from having used G2! The differences were subtle, but enough to thwart my efforts for awhile. The letter Q, for example.

Anyway, I made BR my permanent default input method and removed everything but BR and the keyboard from the pop-up list using Tweaks2K2.net.

[bourmb]

I too hope for someone else to provide some hope and insight on this issue as I owned Palm PDA's for 7 years. I used to be able to write in graffiti as fast as writing with a pen and paper. I would also like to have a hack that allows the use of writing capital letters within a specified section of the letter box. I also had a hack that I could pull up a box of special characters for text input. This is the biggest disappointment with the Pocket PC. I could care less about transcribing as it requires you to spend valuable time going back to edit improperly processed letters or words after the fact.

[Kamel]

Kamel, rather than stating "the fact of the matter is" it would be more accurate to state "for me". After all, it is only your opinion.

that's a very good point, sorry for saying that. i was implying my opinion, but worded it wrong.

Anyway, I made BR my permanent default input method and removed everything but BR and the keyboard from the pop-up list using Tweaks2K2.net

thanks for the tip, i will try it out :D

[bourmb]

I really don't undertand why people are having such a hard time with this.

Although Block Recognizer isn't exactly like Grafitti......it's so close it hurts! There are a few characters which need to be written slightly different then using Grafitti (however if you compare, Grafitti will also recognize the way Block Recognizer needs some characters to be written), so it's really not that much of a stretch to learn.

If in doubt, open the Block Recognizer panel, touch the "?" and use the Demo feature to figure out how to write the characters.

Once you get into the habit of writing the way Block Recognzier requires, you should be up to the same speed as using Grafitti.

*Think back to when you first learned Grafitti.....I'm sure you had to check how to write a few characters then too, I know I did!

The real killer is giving up capitalization on the fly like older Hacked Graffiti offered along with the newer OS versions. If I could just implement the capitalization on the fly, I would be much happier with the Windows varied of Graffiti.

[gazelem67]

I'll add my voice to a former Palm user that would like true Grafitti.

Don't get me wrong, I like my Axim a lot. And I like WM5. I just don't like having to adjust to something that I've been doing quite proficiently since I bought my Palm IIIx, I don't know how many years ago.

It's like typing. If you were told that there's a great new version of your favorite word processor but a few keys had been moved, you'd have a hard time switching. At least many of us would. It doesn't make us worse, just different. I type over 70wpm on a qwerty keyboard. Imagine what moving a few letters--just a few-- would do.

That's what it's like for those of us who use grafitti and rely on it. When I have a pen and I am tapping out a Y, I don't think about it, I just do it. But I do it with a loop. My B is like a 3. My P starts at the bottom. My V goes from right to left. It's just something we don't think about and it would be nice if we had the option to do it the old way. It's not like BR is so much better that we're holding on to a deficient way of doing something. It's just a different way.

If there are trademark/copyright/patent concerns with copying, then the least we could get is a way to train it or add our own ways. Then it wouldn't matter.

do me a favor and don't speak unless you know wtf i'm talking about.

With attitude like that, you might want to leave this forum right about... now.


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Transcriber is a good text recognition program, check it out; you may like it more than grafitti. Calligrapher improves transcriber - alot!

[big_raji]

I just made a post in another thread, and part of it made me think of this thread. In regards to the x51v:

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TEXT INPUT SUCKS! I saw another thread on here with a user begging for Graffiti v1, and I totally agree. I've tried a demo of calligrapher, and that was no better than the built in transcriber. Block recognizer is a joke. I spent over an hour just picking and choosing my writing style for each letter, and it's like my Axim completely ignores it. Graffiti on the Palm worked amazingly. Decuma for the Palm worked amazingly. Give me something that works. I'm tempted to just use fitaly at this point.
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Bah. I admit, that block recognizer is close to graffiti, but it's got so many weird quirks. I've drawn a 'B' several times in the exact same way, and it seems to be random chance that decides if it's recognized as a 'D', 'B', or 'P'. It takes longer for inputting text if you have to keep checking on each letter, and pausing in between to do so.

Transcriber and Calligrapher completely ignore all the work I did to train it. I print in CAPS all the time, so I went through Transcriber and Calligrapher and painstakingly eliminated all the lower case versions of each letter (marking them as "Never Used") yet the Axim still recognizes things like a capital "U" as an 'a". Geez, the only writing style I have selected for an 'a' is a capital 'A', and that looks absolutely nothing like a 'U'. In fact, it's the opposite. I've also set my 'Zero' to always have a stroke through it, yet when I draw a letter 'O', it recognizes as a zero. If I draw a zero with a stroke through it, it recognizes it as several jumbled up punctuation characters.