REAL graffiti 1 support for windows mobile 5?

[Kamel]

this is really pissing me off. i read tons and tons of places that the pocket pc has graffiti 1 style writing... never did i read that it had crappy support that doesn't operate in nearly the same fashion as the real graffiti does.

is there like a patch or third party software or something that implements true graffiti 1 support for the pocket pc? this block lettering crap is absolutely not real graffiti. lets say i make a D, if i accidentally have the left side of the D too far on the left, it will make a weird AE character for me.... wtf, in REAL graffiti this would _never_ happen unless i used the symbol escape char.

also, the Y is 100% different from real graffiti. it hardly ever recognises my y's, until recently when i discovered that it expects you to not use a Y with a loop in the bottom of it.

windows tries to make everything too easy to learn, at the expense of killing productivity over time.

i want my old graffiti 1 back :'( where i could skribble as poorly as i wanted and it would still almost always recognise what i was saying. windows crap misunderstands 50% of my graffiti. this makes me feel like the on screen keyboard might be a better choice, and knowing from my previous palm experiences, it most certainly is not.

please help out a friend in need

edit: if there's a modified version of graffiti 1 like is in palm os 5 devices (where when you write a character half in the character space and half in the number space it capitolizes it) i would MUCH prefer this version. are my dreams just fantasy, can they come true? *weeps*

[Khris]

i want my old graffiti 1 back :'(

Best head back to your Palm device then.

I've owned several Palm devices which ranged from original Grafitti to Grafitti 2, and I've had *NO* problems using the Block Recognizer, nor has it's accuracy been compromised in comparison.

As for the letter "Y", Palm recognized BOTH ways to write it, with the loop on the bottom, and also as lower case cursive (which is what WM recognizes).

[Ray1200]

Best head back to your Palm device then.

I've owned several Palm devices which ranged from original Grafitti to Grafitti 2, and I've had *NO* problems using the Block Recognizer, nor has it's accuracy been compromised in comparison.

As for the letter "Y", Palm recognized BOTH ways to writ it, with the loop on the bottom, and also as lower case cursive (which is what WM recognizes).

Lol :uglyhamme

[Kamel]

with all due respect, you probably didn't use graffiti optimally in any of the palm devices you had.

a graffiti y doesn't even look like a y, or even close. imagine the 1-stroke version of the X only with the hoop pointed south.

this absolutely positively does not work in block recogniser. you must put the whole y with the hoop on the end. what's more, half of the time when you do put the hoop on the y it doesn't work. you can tell it's clearly designed to accept the litteral y as opposed to the cursive style y that graffiti 1 uses.

also, if you accidentally hit the screen for pronunciation in graffiti 1 and 2 if you did the delete stroke it would undo it. in block recogniser it just finds the closest thing to it, usually a period, making you have to do it twice.

quite annoying. block recogniser is "close" to graffiti 1, but nothing more than "close". i'm amazed that i'm the only one who notices o_O

[mc_03]

Block Recognizer is close enough for 99% of Palm switchers, and most of them only use it to transition on to Transcriber/Letter Recognizer. Have you tried either of those? Also there are tons of 3rd party input programs like Fitaly and Resco Keyboard.

And how does writing a y without a loop instead of with a loop demonstrate Windows making everything "too easy to learn, at the expense of killing productivity over time"? Different != Worse.

[Kamel]

uhmm, sorry, but i think it's much easier to make a circle than it is to make a single stroke y.



do me a favor and don't speak unless you know wtf i'm talking about.

i've been nothing but professional in my request and had a true honest call out for help, and what do i get? crapped all over.

thanks for crapping on yet ANOTHER thread in which there is a real problem presenting itself, but no one is willing to help out at all... or even make an attempt, you just say "oh, you're an idiot, microsoft pwns"

[Khris]

uhmm, sorry, but i think it's much easier to make a circle than it is to make a single stroke y.

I guess that's why you're having problems with Block Recognizer.

do me a favor and don't speak unless you know wtf i'm talking about.

Do us a favour, drop the attitude.

i've been nothing but professional in my request and had a true honest call out for help, and what do i get? crapped all over.

And when you didn't get the ideal solution, you decide to throw a hissy fit. Professional indeed!

thanks for crapping on yet ANOTHER thread in which there is a real problem presenting itself, but no one is willing to help out at all... or even make an attempt, you just say "oh, you're an idiot, microsoft pwns"

Actually, from where I'm sitting, the thread didn't go for a crap until your reply got blurted out.

[AKAJohnDoe]

i make a D, if i accidentally have the left side of the D too far on the left, it will make a weird AE character for me

Well, anyway,thanks for helping me out with the "D" tunring into that dipthong-like AE. I'll try making them a bit farther to the right and see if that works for me.

[Kamel]

Well, anyway,thanks for helping me out with the "D" tunring into that dipthong-like AE. I'll try making them a bit farther to the right and see if that works for me.

when you start the stroke from the bottom to the top, this line determines it. if it is straight up or to the right it will work properly. if it is leaning to the left, it will make the AE.

[Kamel]

And when you didn't get the ideal solution, you decide to throw a hissy fit. Professional indeed!

i don't see what's wrong with expecting to get what's advertised :(

[Khris]

i don't see what's wrong with expecting to get what's advertised :(

You *DID* get exactly what was advertised. PPC devices don't come with Grafitti, they come with Block Recognizer (and other varients).

[just_jeepin]

I have to agree with Kamel. I came from Palm OS and believe that Grafitti 1 and 2 are MUCH better than anything on my PocketPC. I use the keyboard because the handwriting recognition is so bad.

[ArthurS]

Same here - Graffiti works much better than Letter or Block Recognizer. Such a shame; to me (non-English input), the only viable way to enter text is the keyboard. And that's still slower than Graffiti on my m505 :(

[Khris]

I really don't undertand why people are having such a hard time with this.

Although Block Recognizer isn't exactly like Grafitti......it's so close it hurts! There are a few characters which need to be written slightly different then using Grafitti (however if you compare, Grafitti will also recognize the way Block Recognizer needs some characters to be written), so it's really not that much of a stretch to learn.

If in doubt, open the Block Recognizer panel, touch the "?" and use the Demo feature to figure out how to write the characters.

Once you get into the habit of writing the way Block Recognzier requires, you should be up to the same speed as using Grafitti.

*Think back to when you first learned Grafitti.....I'm sure you had to check how to write a few characters then too, I know I did!

[Kamel]

well, yes, and that's something i have taken into consideration. if it were a system totally different from graffiti i wouldn't even mind so much. the problem is not that it's not perfectly the same as graffiti, the problem is, it has a very hard time recognising my hand writing, and even after training and using the way it wants to do things it's still not any more accurate.

also, they have done away with some things and added some things in favor of ease of use or even trying to improve the graffiti system, which IMO has been a bad idea. the fact of the matter is, real graffiti 1 is just plain more efficient than block recogniser. it takes less effort, and can recognise your scribbles much easier.

even my 31mhz handspring visor has better handwriting reconition than this :(.

apparently, i'm not the only one that thinks so =\