Let me see if I understand... no Sprite Backup from A06 to A12 = no complete backup?! - Page 2

Zippex · 07-08-06, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by pgh1969pa

If you failed to follow the upgrade instructions by not syncing with the pc, how is it Microsoft's fault? If your data was not important enough to follow these instructions, why should it be important to them. What did you think would happen to your data? Microsoft did not make provisions and you knew it. You made no provisions for this omission yet you don't seem to acknowledge any responsibility for the loss?

I've Synced before!!! At Dell's only says that make a PIM backup... yeah my fault to wanna make a full backup to avoid the reinstalling of all my software...
I think that they had to preview the issue that some people NEED to restore all things around... do you use your Axim because it's a expensive toy to install and reinstall software or because it's a practical work tool?

About solara's words

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With ROM updates, you're basically getting a new OS. If you upgraded Windows from 98 to XP, you wouldn't expect the image of your Win98 programs to work would you? Not the best comparison, but you get the idea.

I don't think that they made a new source code... or even a new FS or whatever... c'mon it's more like windows update... it's just a software update... they had changes some routines about OS resources and other things handling... not SO critical...

PS: Sorry for my bad english...

Thanks for the answers

pmkw7 · 07-08-06, 03:03 AM

A06 to A12 is a bug fix release of WM5. If it is a new OS release, may be it shoud be call WM6? The upgrade of A06 to A12, at best, can be equate to upgrading XP to SP1 or SP2. It would be interesting to see the user (or, more importantly, business) reaction if all software have to be re-installed for the XP upgrades.

Zippex · 07-08-06, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by pmkw7

A06 to A12 is a bug fix release of WM5. If it is a new OS release, may be it shoud be call WM6? The upgrade of A06 to A12, at best, can be equate to upgrading XP to SP1 or SP2. It would be interesting to see the user (or, more importantly, business) reaction if all software have to be re-installed for the XP upgrades.

The best example of what I mean!

solara · 07-08-06, 04:46 AM

What part of "Not the best comparison, but you get the idea." did not go through?

In any case, no use crying over spilled milk because of user ignorance. You can call it a bug if that makes you feel better.

07-08-06, 07:46 AM

[QUOTE=Zippex]I've Synced before!!! At Dell's only says that make a PIM backup... yeah my fault to wanna make a full backup to avoid the reinstalling of all my software...
I think that they had to preview the issue that some people NEED to restore all things around... do you use your Axim because it's a expensive toy to install and reinstall software or because it's a practical work tool?
/QUOTE]

I'm not exactly sure that I understand your point then? If you want to restore across ROMs, Sprite has worked in many situations. If that is a capabiIity you consider "mission critical", you should invest in a copy! The problems with the built in backup program are well documented as are consequences of ROM upgrades.

Zippex · 07-08-06, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by solara

What part of "Not the best comparison, but you get the idea." did not go through?

In any case, no use crying over spilled milk because of user ignorance. You can call it a bug if that makes you feel better.

... is this agression what I'm smelling?

Originally Posted by pgh1969pa

I'm not exactly sure that I understand your point then? If you want to restore across ROMs, Sprite has worked in many situations. If that is a capabiIity you consider "mission critical", you should invest in a copy! The problems with the built in backup program are well documented as are consequences of ROM upgrades.

Maybe my fault, I didn't saw any documentation about ROM upgrades... BTW I'm starting over... I had a couple of cvs files of contacts and other stuff...

C'mon it's just a recompiled version of the OS!, not a new OS...

Patrick Y. · 07-08-06, 05:35 PM

[QUOTE=player911]
You take that back, right now mister!

Originally Posted by player911

Your not suppose to restore from a backup after a major ROM update anyway. Why are you all depress that it "doesn't" work. Its not suppose to.

back it up by hand. Or export it to a file. or something...

Well, it's a lot of work for people who have over 50 programs installed. Besides, as others said, isn't it a little too much having to re-install EVERYTHING when it's only a "bug fix" upgrade? Think it this way: Having to play a game from beginning because of a minor Windows Update.;)

pmkw7 · 07-09-06, 01:01 AM

As a software developer, I believed that in order to keep customers happy, bug fixes and upgrades should be painless. Requiring users to re-install all software after OS upgrades would definitely be unprofessional and would lose customers. Now, after seeing all the user support of Dell/Microsoft upgrade policy, I have my doubts. All a developer needs to do is to document that the OS upgrade will require re-installing all the software. I am thankful that WM5 does not require critical patches every few days like XP. Otherwise, I have to re-install my software every few days. By the way, does anyone know if Sprite or any other backup vendor officially stated that you can use their backup to upgrade from A06 to A12?

solara · 07-09-06, 01:09 AM

Think of it this way: it's optional. Yes, it's a lot of work, but if you plan ahead, it can be quite fast even with 50 programs or more.

Also consider that old backups from older ROMs may (more likely than not) contain registry entries, links to non-existent dll's and what have you, that could screw up your machine, and since everyone's machine is loaded with different software - it'd be a royal mess. Or, as one warning posted somewhere stated regarding the upgrade (forgot where I read it - maybe within the ROM update program itself), reinstalling from older backups may NEGATE some changes/fixes with the new ROMs since it may overwrite critical files or registry entries!

For your own good, Microsoft has made it mandatory to reinstall all programs :-P

As for games, you can back up the datafiles, etc. and you wouldn't have to start all over again.

Zippex · 07-10-06, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by solara

For your own good, Microsoft has made it mandatory to reinstall all programs :-P

mmm... It's not a bug... it's a feature!!! :rolling:

C'mon!

Menneisyys · 07-10-06, 01:53 PM

I'll post a detailed tutorial on restoring previous backups in 1-2 days (as soon as I have some free time to experiment with it) without the need for any kind of commercial apps. (I have already done this with both the PL720 and the hx4700).

Stay tuned :)

Menneisyys · 07-10-06, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by solara

Also consider that old backups from older ROMs may (more likely than not) contain registry entries, links to non-existent dll's and what have you, that could screw up your machine, and since everyone's machine is loaded with different software - it'd be a royal mess. Or, as one warning posted somewhere stated regarding the upgrade (forgot where I read it - maybe within the ROM update program itself), reinstalling from older backups may NEGATE some changes/fixes with the new ROMs since it may overwrite critical files or registry entries!

This is, unfortunately, true. This is why you'll need to use either Sprite or wait for me to dive into the problem and come up with a cross-restore solution.

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For your own good, Microsoft has made it mandatory to reinstall all programs :-P

It won't be necessary if I find a way NOT to negate the changes in the new version.

fjl307 · 08-25-06, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Patrick Y.

You can restore using the built-in backup, as stated in Dell's update intruction despite some warnings. Also, you can easily backup your contact and PIM data using ActiveSync. For the game records, are they THAT important? Though, I believe most games save the records in a specific file. So, if your game is on the storage card, you won't lost the records.

Yeah, except for FLEXMAIL!!! (one fingered salute to WEBIS)