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Old 08-19-06, 07:32 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Wow. That is much smaller than I expected. I would love to see you produce and market these. This could really be a useful item.

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i bet if you worked at it with a company you could get it to around 2/3 that size... its pretty small already considering what you put into it. and probably could get the price for the consumer about what you paid...

ashton, that would be appx... $109.03 for cost to build
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Old 08-19-06, 07:41 PM   #47 (permalink)
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First I want to thanks all your kindly words about my project.
I have to confess I feel confused about so many proposals and requests for producing it in mass.
I do not know what to do, I never had the idea of making money from it.

In addition to this, current project is highly customized to my needs, but you probably would prefer some other gadgets. Believe it or not there is some room left for extra circuitry and external connectors. Also, box can grow a little in wide to match holder wide, a lot in length and several degrees in slope, if extra room was required.

It seems to me there are a couple of ways to commercialize it. First one is building them manually, I have no time but I could take people to work but it seems to me it could be expensive. I do not think I could build one unit for less than $250-$300. Second way could be contacting some company that builds PDA accessories and reach an agreement. I have no idea about the final unit price and what benefits could it report to me. I do not think it is a good idea because it is a handycraft work fitting everything is so small room.

I was just wondering if it could be interesting to start a new thread for polling about some questions:

Are you interested in a box like this?
What do you miss in the box?, What would you remove?
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Old 08-19-06, 07:49 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by nathanwj
i bet if you worked at it with a company you could get it to around 2/3 that size... its pretty small already considering what you put into it. and probably could get the price for the consumer about what you paid...

ashton, that would be appx... $109.03 for cost to build
It is not possible to make it smaller because the room need for input/output connectors. They need also some clearance not to obstruct among them. Also, I stablished the requeriment of placing all connectors at the back face.
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Old 08-19-06, 07:52 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Darkrift
...About your usb host card...... the long wire sticking out.... is there any way you could make some sort of ribbon cable that would do the same thing but not stick out like that? Would make it a little more pocketable. Also.... ever think of some sort of clear shield that flips up on the top (screen protector) so that you dont need a case for it?
Sure, USB host cable can be cut down just with a careful job of micro-soldering. Ratoc cable is sold apart so it is not a real risk of leaving USB host not working.

My starting project was to have that, later I found a moulded car holder that would save me a lot of work and it conditioned the final appearance. I think it could be added a moulded top half to full cover PDA.
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Originally Posted by nathanwj
ashton, that would be appx... $109.03 for cost to build
Please explain this...
What is "asthon"?
Does it include material?
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Old 08-19-06, 10:40 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Well, if you here in the states, I would tell you that the first thing you need to do is go see a patent attorney (now!!) and get your name attached to that thing and on file in the patent and trademark office.

Then, it would seem like the best idea would be to hook up with a company who already makes pda's or pda type accesories. The reason I say that is on a hardware device like this (as you know) you would have a ton of overhead just trying to get the mechanism for production in place. An established company will already have that mechanism.

Good luck. I think if you can fins a way to get this on the market for under $100 US, you could sell a ton of them. I also think you could market this as a replacement to your sync cradle. Look, it is acradle that goes where you go, syncs anywhere and attaches to everything. Awsome.

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Oh yeah, Ashton was the name of the guy who asked what the exchange rate was between 85 Euro and American dollars. :)

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You could make some money if you sold kits for 100$ a peice. I might even cosider buying one.
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good lord, you did a GREAT job of making that thing. especsally given that you have a small space to work in. kudos!


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Originally Posted by w3iner
You could make some money if you sold kits for 100$ a peice. I might even cosider buying one.
I totally agree, about 100$ should be the price.
I am also a customer of PDA and its accesories, X51V price is fast closing to $300, when an accesory is closer to half PDA price we use to find it expensive or it is not worth. That is what I felt when I bought my Ratoc CF.

But if we compare with other market devices, 250-300$ is still cheap. A couple of examples:

Gomadic X51V connector costs $3.95 but if you but it prewired with just 5 lines it cost $19.95. Applying that proportion we spend our $100 just in buiding the PCB connector with all X51V outputs.
Other example, when I was to build this CD changer emulator (user: "I", pass:"agree") to use my car stero charger input as audio AUX, I found at Ebay same device already built for €36.99 ($47,44). It is an small box with few components witch costs less than $5. No comments about price proportions.


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...it would seem like the best idea would be to hook up with a company who already makes pda's or pda type accesories. The reason I say that is on a hardware device like this (as you know) you would have a ton of overhead just trying to get the mechanism for production in place. An established company will already have that mechanism.
I also agree taking a patented project to a company that builds PDA accesories is the only way to get the lowest price. But based on my previous examples I still find the threshold of $100 very far away to reach.

If I would do that I will have to raise good schematics, drawings, etc, because this box is highly customized to my needs, before doing that I just started this new thread just to figure out what people want:

What would you expect from jacket-like magic-box like this?
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Great work. Would you mind mounting 2 Pratt & Whitney PW-6000 Jet Engines? Than we could manage some great intercontinental flights with this thing

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I suggest that, as dgoldring said, get to your local lawyer and get a patent number for that design so your name is attached to it. Then get a name for it and Trademark it.

That way, when you go to look for a company to mass produce your idea, they cant screw you and say that it was their Idea.

Just a way of making sure you get your pay check!

And just a point, if it goes to mass production, it will cost a LOT less than what it cost you to create your initial prototype. With manufacturing probably going to china and the parts made by the lowest bidder, you may be looking at around £50-60 possibly. ($100 max).
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Old 08-20-06, 03:56 PM   #58 (permalink)
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and to think when i first saw the title, i thought he made a new fishing vest with lots of dongles and a pocket for the ax

this is alot more elegant. GET THE PATENT!!!!!

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amazing dude!....for the love of the gear!...i'd def buy one...PATENT IT!...
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Old 08-20-06, 11:54 PM   #60 (permalink)
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It is awesome!!!!!

But question: where have you got USB HUB for €12 ?
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