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Old 10-31-06, 02:11 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I have to say the main reason for my to add a Ratoc USB HOST was to put to work Touchscreen. Once having it I entered into a game of putting to work as many devices as possible. I enjoy it a lot.

Also, USB devices are very very very cheap compared with BT ones. It is more than that: in most of cases we can consider they are "FREE" because we already have them. In my case I bought none for Axim I already had mouse, keyboard, HD, memory, SD to USB adaptor, webcam (still not working), printer and scanner (last 2 ones still not tried). My photo camera USB port also appears at my Axim as mass storage device.
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Old 10-31-06, 02:13 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Schlachter
...Anyways, what I'm going to do (the whole reason I'm so involved in this) is I'm going to vaccum mold a tablet case with a 7" touchscreen LCD. I'm going to set it up so that on the top you could insert the axim (like a thick card) and on the side you would have 2 usb ports and another slot for a removable laptop hdd. That way I would have a laptop (because I could jsut add a usb k&m), a tablet (large screen I could write on, watch movies, play some games), and I'll make a car mount for it and put a BT GPS on the inside.
I could go super-portable (just the axim)
around the house portable (tablet mode)
and school/work portable (laptop mode)
and with the external antenna mod (gps wardriving and navigation)
I'll name it.... Aximformer... or something equally as stupid.
TransAxim... anyways
Nice idea :approve:
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Old 10-31-06, 03:09 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Schlachter
...Has anyone tried to petition Dell for thier Axim's info? I mean... they stopped production right? What need do they have for a few board diagrams? Just a thought... the Axim would become a hacker's dream if they released that info.
Hmmm, you are right. Why not to give them a try.
This does not compare with BT stack hack. That involved 3rd party software hacking, also there was a matter of licenses in between.
This is full legal and it does not seem to be a commercial interference for Dell, just the opposite.

Recently I did the same with Valentine One Radar Detector. This device can have a remote unit connected via serial port. I asked them for interface spec to write a program for PDA to act as remote unit. In a couple of days I got an answer from Mike Valentine (the boss) with full spec data :approve:

On the other hand, we know there are a lot of people from Dell at forum and no one say anything about that

To make a Dell Support question we must enter Service Tag number. I still have one month warranty left and I do not want do a question involving hacking during that period. I will do it in one month if any of you did not do it first :)
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Old 10-31-06, 06:18 AM   #49 (permalink)
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I just sent this mail to PPC Techs, Inc:

CPU Intel PXA270 has 2 USB HOST ports. Also at Intel web can be found the small circuit required to drive the CPU signals to USB standard connector. Also X50 series bottom connector has 4 “reserved” pins.

Do you think USB HOST could be driven and enabled at bottom connector?

I suppose having the USB pins wired at motherboard is a condition for this. Do you have that information?

Could you be interested in offer that PDA modification as a commercial product, like your RAM upgrade product?

I know there are a lot of people interested on it, see this Aximsite thread (among others):
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=140071

If you were not interested on it, could you please share any information you could have?
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I can send it, I'll try to remember on my break.
But that's something I really want to write out and make sure our point is clear. We're not trying to pirate or steal anything, we just want to know if we'll ever be able (through hack or not) to use usb devices with the built in usb hosts.

I really don't know how to word it right, I think I'll have to wait 'till after work, write up a short draft and post it here to see what you guys think.

BTW: Great idea to ask ppctechs. They seem to have information that might help. I've always wondered how they got the bga chips off to put new ram chips in.
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Originally Posted by Schlachter
BTW: Great idea to ask ppctechs. They seem to have information that might help. I've always wondered how they got the bga chips off to put new ram chips in.
The thing about the Ram upgrade is that unfortunately it will use up more of your battery, I just wonder if anyone here has gotten the upgrade and has noticed such a decrease in battery life. I read an article on a site that mentioned this, as the ram is always refreshing it may eat up batteries up to twice as fast.

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Old 10-31-06, 11:02 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by jbalanca
The thing about the Ram upgrade is that unfortunately it will use up more of your battery, I just wonder if anyone here has gotten the upgrade and has noticed such a decrease in battery life. I read an article on a site that mentioned this, as the ram is always refreshing it may eat up batteries up to twice as fast.

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It should be easily seen at HYB25L256160AC-7.5 chip datasheet and its replacement HYB25L512160AC-7.5

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riddle me this, Schlachter, if you built your transAxim (i like that name), how would you power it? my laptop (dell inspiron b120) only lasts about 1hour with an external monitor (and that's with said monitor plugged in!) and it's battery holds a heck of a lot more power than the axim

also, from a cost perspective, why use a true touch-screen? for years this has been available on CRTs with a camera-like device that sits on the front of the monitor and costs llike $20-50. why not just get one of those and put a sheet of plexiglass over a normal LCD?

I LOVE your tablet shell idea for the axim, if you can work out the lagistics and price, I, for one, would be VERY interested. maybe you could even borrow from the aximizer idea and have the full range of outputs for the transAxim
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I just got this answer from PocketPCTechs:

Please call us M-F at (714)839-5300 between the hours of 10:30am-5pm, PST, and ask to speak with a technician. They will be able to better assist you with this matter.

My spoken english is not much good, but I will try to give them a call in a couple of hours. Using Skype, of course, I am in Spain
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riddle me this, Schlachter, if you built your transAxim (i like that name), how would you power it? my laptop (dell inspiron b120) only lasts about 1hour with an external monitor (and that's with said monitor plugged in!) and it's battery holds a heck of a lot more power than the axim
The case is going to be rather thick, it's basically going to be an LCD screen with some massive batteries on the inside. I'm going to find some cheapo new laptop batteries (12v, 2amp) and hook them up in a series on the inside (probably 2-3 of them). Then I'm going to have a normal car charger, rip it apart, and use it to power the axim and the bluetooth (when it's on) feeding off the batteries. I know my battery life might not be that great. I might make a switch on the outside to cut off the power to everything else (like the axim) and use it to just run the touchscreen.

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also, from a cost perspective, why use a true touch-screen? for years this has been available on CRTs with a camera-like device that sits on the front of the monitor and costs llike $20-50. why not just get one of those and put a sheet of plexiglass over a normal LCD?
About the touch screen, can you send me a link? I was wanting to do that, but my main resources for stuff (yardsales, forums, and ebay) I haven't been able to find any. I know they're around, if you can find a link for me and it won't make it too thick I'd definately do that. The reason I was going to do the built in touchscreen was because they're selling for like 180-200. I have 450 saved for a laptop, and decided to build this instead. I like making my own cool stuff.

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I LOVE your tablet shell idea for the axim, if you can work out the lagistics and price, I, for one, would be VERY interested. maybe you could even borrow from the aximizer idea and have the full range of outputs for the transAxim
Thanks, I thought it was lame (sound like Transaxil) I am going to add all the ports the aximizer has (except serial, I have no use for serial) and I might not do the preamp... although I REALLY REALLY want to, I don't know if it's worth the time and effort.

BTW, once I get going on the better (after I get the mold made and the electronics made up) I'm going to post the whole process here. And if anyone wants, I could copy the mold a few times and sell the cases... you'd ahve to put everything together on your own though :(
Although, I wouldn't mind making these for a profit if it actually works :P

Also, Afarre, I'll call PPCtechs and give dell a try tomorrow. I got suspended from work for a few days (attendence) so I'll have plenty of time trying to extract this information from some source.
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Originally Posted by Schlachter
...I am going to add all the ports the aximizer has (except serial, I have no use for serial) and I might not do the preamp... although I REALLY REALLY want to, I don't know if it's worth the time and effort...

...Also, Afarre, I'll call PPCtechs and give dell a try tomorrow. I got suspended from work for a few days (attendence) so I'll have plenty of time trying to extract this information from some source.
Will you use your tablet at car?,
If yes, and your car has audio input just test any audio device like MP3 player, CD walkman, Axim, etc, if they sounds too low you will need the preamp.
I am using serial for car diagnostic but I will also use it to interface with V1 radar detector. I also used it for tests with my ADSL modem and this fixed celular terminal. It can be useful for so may things.

I already contacted with PPCtechs by phone and I sent them an email with details. I am waiting the answer, but I already know they do not have squematics nor any broken motherboard to experience with.

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Derek, I understand your concern. It seems that the situation needs to be analysed in a much more interactive manner, which is only possible over the phone, so I would kindly request you to call our phone technical support at 1-800-822-8965.

They will provide you the reslolution to the issue much more quickly than through e-mail support.However, please note this does not prove the incapability of the e-mail support, but there are certain issues which due to frequent verifications and confirmations get delayed over the e-mail.

This is to ensure a better and efficient service to our valued customers. I am extremely sorry for the inconvenience caused.

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Well... I guess I should call them? I'll try to do that tomorrow.
Also note the guy's name, Ashish? Man... I dunno if I want to call them, I have a really really really bad time with accents. I think I called them one time about a year ago about my x50v. I had a hard time...
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Originally Posted by Schlachter
Well... I guess I should call them? I'll try to do that tomorrow.
Also note the guy's name, Ashish? Man... I dunno if I want to call them, I have a really really really bad time with accents. I think I called them one time about a year ago about my x50v. I had a hard time...
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Guys, in order to squeeze any technical information from Dell, HTC would have to agree and I doubt that very much. Dell and HTC most likely have an NDA (non-disclosure agreement) in effect that prevents either from sharing proprietary product information with any external customers. That is an industry norm. If you want to get more info on the devices, you'll need to reverse-engineer them as the contributors at handhelds.org have done.

Now, I'm not saying that it's an impossibility that Dell won't do something 'nice' for us, just that the odds are not in our favour.

HP on the other hand has been great with releasing technical information on their earlier PDAs to handhelds.org. Unfortunately, the newer products are also built by HTC and - you get the idea.

I might be getting a bad X51v board in the near future and since I've been reverse-engineering stuff for the last 40 or so years, I should be able to determine once and for all just what hidden secrets lay undiscovered.

I'm hoping there's JTAG and USB host interfaces, but only time will tell.
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Originally Posted by bigbop
...I might be getting a bad X51v board in the near future and since I've been reverse-engineering stuff for the last 40 or so years, I should be able to determine once and for all just what hidden secrets lay undiscovered...
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