You now, I stand in the middle of this whole debate....
I think what is clear is this should be a boon for windows mobile as well. From the claims of the built in safari browser on that thing (which sounds nearly full featured) I think this will act as a kick in bum for microsoft. If apple is trying to make a full-featured handheld device (and this thing sounds much more PDA-like than ipod like) it can only mean good things for microsoft trying to respond (and copying some of the better features). Microsoft currently beats apple in the smartphone market (because apple has none!) so it is in there interests to keep their marketshare, otherwise they lose another key market to apple (and the ipod killer zune isnt doing so hot...so catch up isnt a good option).
If all that comes out of this is a fully-featured web-browser for my axim to compete with this safari mobile version, I will be happy.
Which is retarded. My sister was home for Christmas and wanted to transfer some of the songs from her iPod onto my parents' desktop in order to make a CD for my mother.
Of course, impossible. I ran Yamipod which I thought would let us do it but then another roadblock - her iPod was formatted for her Mac and not visible on my XP Pro computer.
My Meizu, on the other hand, is a UMS device. Plug it into a USB port and drag and drop to your heart's content.
Sounds to me like you can put that down to someone's understanding of how it works. Really, where's the logic in syncing (for example) 80GB of music to a computer every time you plug it in? Don't get me wrong, I can see how it could be handy occasionally, but I've never needed to do it and would guess that the majority haven't either.
You can format the iPod in PC or Mac format. There are +s and -s to both. That might have been a roadblock in your situation, but at the end of the day it's a user interface issue (to be subtle). The iPod can also support dragging and dropping till your heart is content.
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Sounds to me like you can put that down to someone's understanding of how it works.
I don't understand really what you're saying.
I know how the iPod works. I'm just pointing out that there are other methods that work differently so that this wouldn't even be a problem/issue in the first place; no matter how rare (and let's face it the desire to transfer music is not a rare one).
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Really, where's the logic in syncing (for example) 80GB of music to a computer every time you plug it in?
Why would this be necessary? When I plug in my Meizu, I don't have to sync anything unless I want to. And even then, only what I want to.
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Don't get me wrong, I can see how it could be handy occasionally, but I've never needed to do it and would guess that the majority haven't either.
I don't know what the majority want in this regard, so no comment on this one.
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You can format the iPod in PC or Mac format. There are +s and -s to both. That might have been a roadblock in your situation
It was the roadblock like I said but I am aware of something like Yamipod so if she had a PC (like 95% of the world's computer users do) it wouldn't have been a problem for me. However, for most others in this situation, they would not be able to transfer songs (and let's pretend that they're even sharing legally).
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but at the end of the day it's a user interface issue (to be subtle).
Which is why, in my opinion, iPod + iTunes (or let's say iTunes specifically since it's possible to do it with other software) is inferior.
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The iPod can also support dragging and dropping till your heart is content.
Sure it can but it's not the same.
If you designate 20 Gb of your 60 Gb iPod for file storage, that space is lost to music use. With UMS players, it isn't.
Nope, it won't run Windows Mobile software. I believe it'll need iPhone specific apps. Just like you can't run regular Windows apps on an Axim.
If it is 802.11g compatible, that doesn't mean it will be substantially faster in downloading files. I'll wait for reviews and official Apple release specs.
Of course it won't natively run WM software. I'm wondering what SIMILAR programs it will be capable of running, plus of course, how much is or will be free or costly. If it runs the normal OS X, I would think that many existing apps would be usable, but since I don't use Apple apps, I don't know what is available.
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Especially NEW USERS of Axims & Hard Reset Veterans!
plus of course, how much is or will be free or costly.
$500 WITH 2-year contract with Cingular!!!! :exc:
[edit] On second glance, I realized that you're talking about the cost of software (I think). Anyway, for anyone who doesn't know, that's the price of the device. [/edit]
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If it runs the normal OS X, I would think that many existing apps would be usable
This is just my opinion but I think Apple is deliberately misleading people. I don't see how this thing can run OS X (of course, I may be wrong) but rather Apple's mobile version which they are calling OS X i.e. OS X mobile.
The WiFi won't matter. Mobile devices can't store data fast enough to really take advantage of 802.11b let alone the G standard.
Plus people crack me up. "Oh the internet is SO much faster on my G network". Common sense tells you that the internet comes in at 1.5Mbps or whatever. Where's the bottleneck? If your internet is slow on your mobile device, its because the mobile device has to store all the pictures and content and it takes time.
Even USB memory sticks couldn't write fast enough to keep up with browsing.
So ultimately this iPhone having 802.11G is just a waste and a battery drainer.
The good thing is that I can see this being hacked and possibly being able to transfer songs over WiFi. I dunno I've never owned a ipod because I think they are way over priced for what you get. The iPod and the Motorola Razr go hand in hand... and surprisingly my gf has both.
Trust me. People buy these gadgets because everyone else has one.
Still it has amazing sensors and the way you interact is much more advanced than any Pocket PC.
WTF are you talking about. The PPC has a complete touch screen. If the ipod's controls were so revolutionary... someone would have made a program to match that of the ipod's circle control.
I dunno, at first glance I think it's a pretty awesome little device. I know people get very possesive, and then there's the PC vs. MAC crowd. I used to have a Dell MP3 player, because it was cheaper at the time. I now have an iPod for three reasons, it has a better user interface, it looks great, and it's an industry standard (which is important because loads of car audio manufactures are choosing to link with iPod because it's a winner). Apple is a smart company - they've just designed a phone that pretty much every young person will want - most of whom aren't real concerned with all the tech specs and stuff, but rather, what it does. It's a phone, it plays music, it allows connection through text and e-mail, as well as messaging. I love my X51v, but Apple has created a winner. Are they trying to dominate the market? No, they're trying to make money - it's what companies do!!!
Sure some people just buy them because everyone else has them, but the reason everyone else has them, is because of the seamless integration, and the appealing design and UI. Most people don't care about being locked into a propriatary standard, becase they like the products, and they know the next player they will buy will be an iPod. I've decided the iPod isn't for me, not because its too popular, but because a use linux, and its a general pain in the ass to use an ipod, the whole propriatary standard thing, and the fact that I just don't listen to music enough (used to have a mini).
Also, to the person talking about transferring music to a computer. It is entirely possible, and I have done it many times, all the music is in a hidden folder in the root dir of the ipod, just mount it in disk mode.
Also, the iPod can be cross platform as well. Just because you have a mac, dosn't mean you have to mac format it. If you format your ipod in fat32 (the windows formatted one), it is usable in virtually any computer.
Also, just a comment on the alternitives, my dad has a creative player, the sync program is rediculace. Its almost like someone wanted to see how many images they could pack into one interface, making it slow and clunky, as opposed to itunes, which is generally quick, and seems a bit more intelligently designed. Now, some of you people will say that drag-n-drop is the way to go, and sure thats a great feature alongside a sync program, but just pure plain drag-n-drop is annoying :/
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If it is 802.11g compatible, that doesn't mean it will be substantially faster in downloading files. I'll wait for reviews and official Apple release specs.
Of course it won't natively run WM software. I'm wondering what SIMILAR programs it will be capable of running, plus of course, how much is or will be free or costly. If it runs the normal OS X, I would think that many existing apps would be usable, but since I don't use Apple apps, I don't know what is available.
The Axim is 802.11b. The iPhone is 802.11g. Not sure what you mean about it not being faster....
OS X has pretty must every kind of app the PC has. But in reality I think it's an "OS X" based OS and will run a substantially cut down set of code. But that's speculation on my part.
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The WiFi won't matter. Mobile devices can't store data fast enough to really take advantage of 802.11b let alone the G standard.
Plus people crack me up. "Oh the internet is SO much faster on my G network". Common sense tells you that the internet comes in at 1.5Mbps or whatever. Where's the bottleneck? If your internet is slow on your mobile device, its because the mobile device has to store all the pictures and content and it takes time.
Even USB memory sticks couldn't write fast enough to keep up with browsing.
So ultimately this iPhone having 802.11G is just a waste and a battery drainer.
The good thing is that I can see this being hacked and possibly being able to transfer songs over WiFi. I dunno I've never owned a ipod because I think they are way over priced for what you get. The iPod and the Motorola Razr go hand in hand... and surprisingly my gf has both.
Trust me. People buy these gadgets because everyone else has one.
1.5Mb/s is a speed of a T1. Most home users are using cable or DSL. Some are using fibre services.
You can buy DSL and cable services today that will max out 802.11b. I have up to 5Mb/s download which is pushing 802.11b, but there are DSL and Cable services in excess of 10Mb/s or even in excess of 25Mb/s. Fibre services are being seen at 10Mb/s and 100Mb/s speeds.
Although your Internet might still be limited, there are plenty of next gen deployments happening that can take advantage of 802.11g speeds today.
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